As above, just been passed by fia. Can't help but feel they jumped the gun on this. Surely they should have whispered this in red bulls ear, they would accept 2015 engines and then this passes.
Equal to manufacturer engine. Wonder how far this'll go...Mercedes apparently got up to 40hp extra due to a the petronas fuel tuned to perfection, something Mclaren couldn't do with Mobil1... Will Ferrari say to Red Bull ''here are some 2016 engines, but you're not allowed to use Shell''?
FIA rule customer power units to be same specification as works team Regulations seemingly rule out Red Bull using year-old engines FIA rule customer power units to be same specification as works team | F1 News
This should get very interesting very quickly and how are they proposing they make certain they are equal in HP and Torque? Dyno every engine before installation for qualifying and then seize all cars until race morning?
Yet not all chassis are they same so performance cannot be a insightful judging criteria of the engines performance. I like the idea of playing fair with customer PU's but this will also cement F1 as just another spec series. This is why the racing has become so boring in my opinion.
No idea. Airbox design will alter hp already, temperature, wind speed from fan.... Just s Small error in wind direction from the fan can already make a difference too.
I thought that the point of freezing engine specs is to keep the costs down? Teams are going bankrupt because the powertrains are so insanely expensive. This formula is an absolute mess--and a bloody bore.
Hahaaaaa! Genius! This will be fun. Of course, it's not a big problem for the factory teams as the oily bits on their own don't equalise engine performance. So - same spec does not equal same performance. Delta maintained. RB could be even more hosed now as they haven't inked a Ferrari engine deal and this ruling makes it unlikely Ferrari will agree to supply.
Preach it brother! F1 keeps shooting itself in the foot with their insane and unobtainable projections. On top of that anyone who knows anything about engines realizes that a forced induction engine is exponentially more expensive to build, tune and maintain. Bernie or the other powers that be should get on their knee's and beg Cosworth to become the sole engine supplier as there will be no loss since F1 has been a spec series for years. Just saying.
Very interesting indeed! Would be nice if EVERY engine/power unit had the same output though, would definitely make the season a lot closer. Those Mercedes engines/power units are just too strong at the moment.
Yes, absolutely. At least making them all the same will then test the drivers more, chassis setups, tyres, strategy. If Mercedes really has 40HP more than it's easy for Lewis and Nico to walk away from the rest of the field as they do every race. Make the engines/power units equal in their power outputs and they will make for some closer and more exciting racing IMO.
This doesn't mean same power output for all engine manufacturers, rather just that all supplier teams have the same unit as the works teams. This won't make a huge difference. Ultimate power output is just one factor, and the works teams will know how to map their unit work with their chassis better than anyone else. Non-works teams will remain on the back foot, unless you have a deal like McLaren/Honda where there is no Honda 'works' team.
The works team still would have some advantage because of fuel, mapping, installation, etc... but it will be smaller than before. Good for the show probably but a bit unfair for the works teams. I doubt that the money they´re asking for the customer engines covers the real costs so it´s going to be cheaper to buy an engine than building your own, and with not so big differences in hp between customers and works teams.
This is going to make the engineer's accountants scream. Instead of testing a new engine on one car, they have to test it on eight. Mega $$$. Unless testing is freed up, this rule is going to explode costs.
Well, I suppose that it´s up to the customers to build their car according to the manufacturer´s specifications to fit the engine, not the opposite.
I completely disagree. The above is called GP 2... or Formula Renault. F-1 needs the disparity... if Merc are able to figure out how to be 50HP up on the rest - then its up to the teams to beat them... not be limited down. What needs to be opened up is testing. they need to go back to unlmited testing, but using he actual race cars - not special test teams. or have from Dec - Feb open for testing. and then no in season testing.
I think this all ties-in with what Bernie and Mateschitz/Newey have been eluding-to. By formulating this rule, Ferrari will effectively withdraw from providing engines to RB or TR. Since Merc is already withdrawn from an engine deal between those two teams, Bernie has effectively guilted Renault into keeping F1 alive by purchasing LOTUS and providing engines to both RB and TR for 2016.
