2016 all engines must be equal

The FIA should make an incentive for other engine builders like Cosworth or BMW to rejoin by allowing them a little more room for testing, PSI/engine capacity, fuel flow, etc to make the independent teams more competitive.

 

Should really clarify that opening post. I came into this thread thinking how the hell are Honda going to get 80 hp added to their engine.


So to clarify, all it means is customer teams get same spec as manufacturer?

All that does is provide a disincentive to supply others. Red bull won't get anything now lol...

 

Make an incentive and allow each manufacturer testing for each team they supply, put something in it for them and they'll compete with each other and supply teams...Ferrari is better off supplying engines to red bull if it makes them contenders week in and out. Better to race for wins then automatically be assigned the 3rd position unless merc fails

 

I think it could work. Same principle of a third customer car but applied only to engines

 

Not sure how to read the rules, a 2015 engine was homologated, so shouldn't it fit?

 

Aw shucks, why don't they just make this a claimer series and end all the drama?

 

I could be wrong, but it seems like some of y'all are reading this as a mandate that all engines, across the board, be equal. It's not that. It's just a mandate that all manufacturer's customers get the same spec engine as what the manufacturer is running.

 

I think we understand that. It's still an idiotic idea. Why shouldn't it be between the supplier and the client as to what the engine specs are, so long as they are compliant with the technical regulations? Beyond that single requirement why should the regulators interfere?

 

The FIA are trying to prevent there from being a two tier championship whereby the manufacturers are the only ones who stand any chance of winning at all due to having a far more developed and more powerful power unit.

 

I am not the brightest bulb in the box, but this is what I thought immediately. The 2015 engine was homologated and approved under the regulations. So I should be able to use/supply it...

 

You do realize that customer teams buy the PUs, right? What this does is incentivize PU makers to limit development, as the rule says, the PUs will be homologated for the season and can only be modified for reliability or cost reduction.

If Ferrari were the only PU maker left and they could only supply three teams of two cars each, there would only be three teams in F1.

 

Formula 1 manufacturers will no longer be able to provide customers year-old power units after the FIA confirmed the 2016 F1 Sporting Regulations.

Red Bull and Toro Rosso are still without an engine supplier for next year, but reports suggested Ferrari offered them 2015-specification units for the 2016 campaign. However, the powers that be at Red Bull are adamant that they are only interested in accepting engines that are of the same standard as works teams.

Under current regulations engine suppliers are able to provide their customers with older spec engines with Manor Marussia using a 2014 Ferrari power unit this season.

That, though, won't be allowed next year as the FIA F1 Sporting Regulations state all engines must be the same specification as the unit homologated on February 28, 2016.

Article 23.5 reads: "Only power units which are identical to the power unit that has been homologated by the FIA in accordance with Appendix 4 of these regulations may be used at an Event during the 2016- 2020 Championship seasons."

Works teams, though, can still get an advantage over their customer outfits when it comes to software mapping and fuel products of their power units while teams could still make further tweaks to the new engine rules at Thursday's meeting.

However, regulations state that "unanimous agreement of all competitors entered in the 2016 Championship" are needed to make any changes.

 

Err.........No;

teams are going bankrupt because they don't have the cash flow to race at this level.

This is NOT a fault of F1 but of the teams deciding to race in F1.

 

Thankyou!

Pretty much what I've been trying to say for ages! "Don't like the heat? Get out of the kitchen!".......

Again, it's hard; As it damn well should be!

It's expensive; Always has been, always will be. Everyone knows that - don't then ***** about what it costs!

Cheers,
Ian

 

Yes, we know your position, but what will happen when less and less teams will be able to compete? Only a few cars on the grid then? It's like Indy revisited, with 6 cars racing.

F1 is leading itself to oblivion, unless it becomes less costly, and the way to reduce cost is not to cap expenses, but to devise simple technical rules. KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid !!!

It's supposed to be a drivers championship, not a budget championship. A lot of the technology introduced is ridiculously costly. To make a 1000hp engine, you don't need the sophistication of hybrid technology. A good 4-litre atmo.V8, V10 or better V12 will do that at a fraction of the cost.

Beside, the "pinacle of motorsport" label is getting ridiculous, when the cars are slower than 10 years ago, and provide less spectacle than GP2. Listen to Webber's quote on the subject.

 

You do realise that the cost of designing and developing the power units is far greater than the amount the customer teams pay don't you?

That's a cost that the manufacturers have to endure to go racing, in comparison, the customer teams are paying peanuts for the exact same power units - and the FIA want to cap the amount that the manufacturers can charge for power units to such a degree that the manufacturers costs are barely met!

As for:

Totally wrong!

The FIA would not be able to run an F1 season with only 6 cars on track all season.

What the FIA would do is change the rules to allow a far cheaper N/A engine from other suppliers to compete in F1

 

OK, but to have a championship, you must have enough participants able to enter, otherwise all you get is a reduced field, a predictable outcome and public disaffection leading to the slow death of the series.

 

BBC Sport - Honda and Renault to be aided by planned engine rule changes

Struggling Honda and Renault have been given a boost in their attempts to match rival engine manufacturers.

Formula 1's four engine makers have agreed to allow in-season development next year - and to increase the number of permitted changes.

 

https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2015/10/16/engine-politics-3/

Additional insight via Saward on the engine situation.