2017 FORMULA 1 PIRELLI BELGIAN GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

Anything he says is merely to try to convince people he has to be best to win, what a tool

 

And Sebastian took the consolation prize on Lap 41 with a 1:46.577, which is a new lap record for Spa-Francorchamps.

 

Conclusions from the Belgian Grand Prix | PlanetF1 : PlanetF1

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131490/force-india-threatens-drivers-with-race-bans

Force India could use race bans............

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131489/verstappen-set-for-monza-grid-penalty

Max Verstappen will take grid penalties for the Italian Grand Prix after his Belgium engine failure, says Red Bull Formula 1 team principal Christian Horner.

Verstappen was running fifth early in the Spa F1 race when he shifted from third to fourth out of the last corner and immediately lost power as his Renault engine went into a safe mode.

It came after Verstappen swapped to his fourth internal combustion of the year ahead of final practice, meaning any further change will spark grid penalties.

He is also on the limit with MGU-Hs, having used four, but has so far used three turbochargers and only two MGU-Ks, energy stores and control electronics.

"I can understand his frustration but the majority of them have been beyond our control," Horner told Autosport.

"He's now staring down the barrel of a bunch of penalties in Monza so it is really frustrating for him.

"Our engine partners have apologised and are quite aware that their reliability and product isn't where it should be."

 

As if he did not in the past

Oh, did he?

I see, because Button was sitting in the Brawn GP beating Barrichello (who was one of the useless codrivers of Michael according to you) he must be one of the true greats.

Again this "very reasonable" argument with Rosberg....So if Hamilton would have beaten Rosberg last year it would be 4:0 against a nobody because Nico would have never won a WDC but because Lewis lost it is a bigger achievement because it is 3:1 against a WDC...
I guess Seb should have let Mark win one instead of beating him on four occasions so one could say he has beaten a WDC instead of a "journeyman"
That does not make sense at all but obviously Hamilton fans do not care because it sounds good..."he has beaten a WDC", even when this WDC was achieved against him...

For once and for all: nobody says Hamilton is average! He is one of the fastest drivers of this era, maybe not the most complete but one of the fastest. But that´s it! He is by no means head and shoulder above all the others like the Hamilton fanboys want to make us believe all the time. A lot of his records are due to the fact that he NEVER had to compete in a bad car. He won a GP in every season and appart from Kovallainen in 2009 every of his team mates did as well showing that it was not only because of him that the car won...It was because the car was always capable of doing so. Neither Senna, nore Schumacher, not even Vettel or Alonso can say the same about their career and their cars.

Just look at this weekend: Lewis won from pole in a car that was obviously stronger when it counted because it had more power. He is celebrated for having driven "a brilliant race nobody else could do but him"...Vettel did that for a dozen of times in a row at RB and the same people celebrating Hamilton for doing so said "nah, it is all about the car, no big achievement"...
Neither Lewis nore Seb had any singificant input in the development of the car, Michael did. So if one of them did deserve having the best car it was him...

 

This is actually what everybody is waiting for: Max challenging Lewis in a car capable to do so...and then count the carbon fibre parts flying!!!
Max might have made a movactually work out

 

Horner 2017 showing a "mature" side as opposed to Horner 2014 - 2016.5 throwing Renault

under the bus.

 

I know Max is thought of as the second coming but he clearly doesn't understand that he is in a car of marginal reliability and until he does it will be all woulda, coulda, shoulda and watching Dan up there on the podium..

John

 

+1 and Horner stated Daniel has had failures in practice etc but not as many in the race. Max should also remember ruining a race for Daniel not that long ago. He has an air of entitlement at times that he needs to control. Life's full of issues his growth will be how he deals with them. No car is perfectly reliable at all.

 

Ricciardo has had many of the same issues, just tend to happen on a Friday or Saturday.

Same applies, no?

It's double sour for Max, since every single time he's had a failure this season, Ricciardo got the rewards, in podiums and wins! That's a big hit to take. If it happens once or twice...fine...but constantly? That hurts.

 

Max and Lewis, both in Mercedes ? ......It could be another Farce India without some very strict management........but it would be entertaining !...........but, seriously though, looking to the future....Max could become one of the all-time greats, but in the right car. Right now, there are only two great cars............so who needs the future world champion the most, and who will get pensioned off ?.......or who else might just call it a day, having done enough ? I think we'll see big changes in the next 2 years. Formula 1 boring ? Roll on !

 

Spot on as always Peter..... even Palmer would win races in the Mercedes, and Perez and Ocon would make a great double act worthy of the 'great rosberg/elton years', but with more carbon fibre pieces

 

It def hurts. He will survive it....

 

Build character for sure. Constant race failures and all of them turned into would-be podiums, for a 19 year old I actually find him remarkably calm.

 

Don't think so. Bottas is a far better driver than Palmer... he's got one. Great cars need great drivers to extract the most out of them. Lewis... like him or not... he knows how to drive that car and just doesn't make many mistakes.

 

Some question!

Since Kimi is now clearly the n°2 driver, in service for WDC of Seb, why not be "inventive" with the timing of the pitstop? (I don't mean the stop and go penalty).

We all know the Mercedes suffers when driving in "dirty" air. Then, what's wrong with having Kimi create that dirty air for Elton, at least for a few laps? It would have given the possibility to seb to overtake Elton. They could have kept Kimi longer in the pit by doing a "catastrophic tyre change...
For instance:
-the mechanic couldn't find the tyre
-the mechanic's hydraulic gun didn't work properly
-Kimi stall the engine

These things happened before, so they could have happened at Spa as well, no?

 

Although this is true one wonders why it is always Bottas having the upper hand when the car is not perfect for the track...Whenever Mercedes had problems to win over the Ferrari this season it was Bottas who was the faster of the two. Makes one wonder whether Lewis can only shine in absolute perfect cars? As he never sat in a realy lousy one we will never see how he drives then....His later McLaren years where not that brilliant or why did this "Lewis is the best" over here just came up when the hybrid powered Mercedes started to dominate. I do not remember that much talk about Lewis before that...where were his fans back then???

 

As far as I remember Lewis was just flying by Kimi after his first pitstop...The Mercedes was simply to fast up the hill and on the long Kemmel. There was no way Kimi could hold a Mercedes behind...

 

Old man Massa has had a pretty nice year honestly. Definitely still deserves a spot in F1

 

Why stop there?

Perhaps they could arrange for Kimi to crash his car into a wall or barrier at the most opportune moment to bring out a safety car and get Seb a victory?

Or how about they arrange for Kimi to deliberately smash Hamilton off the track in races?

If you think Kimi would happily get involved in any plan to deliberately **** up races for Hamilton, I don't think you know Kimi very well!

If he was asked to do anything contrversial, I can pretty much guarantee that he would just walk out on Ferrari and F1 instantly!

 

I didn't think of "asking" Kimi!
Remember Irvine coming in (European GP, Nurburgring 1999), they couldn't find the poor guy's tyre!
(Bad mouths say Team Boss JeanTodt didn't want Irvine to have chances on becoming WDC, even if Schumacher was out due to a broken leg in Silverstone.)



GP Europa, Nurburgring 1999 Pit stop di Irvine e la ruota fantasma - Video Dailymotion

 

And what would stop Mercedes having an equally poor stop for Bottas just afterwards, that resulted in him coming out in front of Vettel, to wreck his race/car?

Holding a rival up on track through normal racing is one thing, but deliberately manipulating a situation by delaying a pitstop to **** up a rival is a pretty s:censored:tty way to win a Championship in My book!

Hopefully no one at Ferrari thinks the same way you do - Otherwise it will be a sad end to a great season!

 

Are the facilities that bad at Spa? ( ***warning.....HOTTIE alert***)

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I am just realistic. If we really believe that everything happens in such a sporty, fair way, I guess we're pretty naive. In other words: if things like these might happen, we won't know whether it was just 'bad luck' or organised.
BTW, there is no more "deliberate manipulating" a situation than by having teamorders....
Manipulated incidents happened in the past and they will happen in the future. In many cases no-one will be able to proof there's manipulation in the game.
Of course, I wouldn't want Ferrari, or any team, to go that way. But if a very long pitstop for Kimi would have happened, and it would have helped Seb to overtake, would we really ask ourselves so much if this was just bad luck for Kimi? Would we believe it was organised? The Hamilton camp would, for sure. Although it could have happened, just bad luck...