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  1. Aircon

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    The day Bottas can out qualify the king of qualifiers is the day that proof positive the Mercedes is a significantly faster car than the Ferrari. Mind you, it was all in that final sector. The Mercedes has SO much more power.
     
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    Totally. Bottles was able to turn up the wick as always.


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    Lewis bins it? I'm going to download a replay :D
     
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  6. Aircon

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    lol...whoM knows?
     
  7. Aircon

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    Lewis mega now...new engine...new turbo....new tyres....fastest by far. where will he end up??
     
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    Did Stroll get fastest lap ?
     
  10. SPEEDCORE

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    What fight? He DRS passed everyone. woopdido.

    The only drivers that fought today were Ricci and Vettel.




    Nice to see Massa finish the race in the points and his kid on the radio :D
     
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  11. Aircon

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    with him and Kimi, clown lol

    what about massa and alonso?? did you watch?
     
  12. Aircon

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  14. Aircon

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    POSTED BY: JAMES ALLEN | 14 NOV 2017 | 3:03 PM GMT | 104 COMMENTS
    With the championship already decided there was a certain sense of ‘nothing to lose’ about the decision-making running through the penultimate race of the season in Brazil.

    The combination of the tyre choices and the conditions at Interlagos meant that this looked like it could be a race with few strategic variations and limited scope for an undercut tactic at the pit stops.

    However with two fast cars out of position after Lewis Hamilton crashed in qualifying and Daniel Ricciardo suffered a ten place grid penalty, the race took on a different complexion.

    A Safety Car at the right moment, around Lap 18-20 might have given Hamilton the chance to win the race, but as it turned out the Safety Car was deployed far earlier than that and fourth was the best he could manage.

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    Pre-race considerations
    The two main tyres Pirelli had brought for Interlagos were the supersoft and the soft and Friday’s practice running showed that it would be possible to do the race with just one stop as the degradation was very low, like in the Bridgestone tyre days in the 2000s.

    However it also became clear from Friday that the best order for the tyres was soft first, when the cars were heavy on fuel and then supersoft at the end, as the track ramped up in grip. The other way around – the standard format for the Top ten qualifiers – was tricky for the supersofts, which needed management against overheating.

    Knowing this and also mindful that he had a ten place penalty to serve, which would mean him starting around P14/15, Ricciardo opted to qualify on the softs and do the mirror strategy to the Top 10, who would all be starting on supersofts. Sadly he wasn’t able to fully capitalise as he had to be careful with running the engine too hard.

    Hamilton, had no such concerns in the race. He had crashed on his first flying lap in qualifying and the decision was made to fit a new engine, on which he could run at maximum mode for much of the race and to start from the pit lane.

    Clearly starting on the softs was the best strategy for him and he would be able to use the superior power of the engine to overtake cars.

    On race day the weather was hotter than in practice; the track was 60 degrees and this meant that the tyres overheated and suffered wear, but still not any meaningful degradation (drop off in lap time performance).

    What this meant was that the undercut would be difficult to achieve (pitting before your rival ahead and then using the new tyre pace to jump him when he stops a lap later). To make that really work, you need the degradation to be meaningful between a old tyre and a new, so you can make the move when you are within two seconds of the car in front.

    In Interlagos the undercut margin was only around 0.8 to 1 second, which means that you have to be right behind to have any chance.
    This in turn put the emphasis on the start and the opening lap as the place to make up positions. And when you have that situation, you have a strong likelihood of a collision and an early Safety Car, which is what we got.

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    Ferrari wins, Bottas loses
    Valtteri Bottas had the pole position, but failed to convert it into a win because he lost the start. But it wasn’t the whole story.

    He still had two more chances to get the lead back from Ferrari’s Sebastian Vettel. One was at the restart after the Safety Car, the other was at the pit stops, if he could get close enough for the undercut.

    He wasn’t able to challenge at the restart, as Vettel played a cat and mouse game with him before accelerating, like Hamilton had done with him in Baku. So it was all about getting close enough from Lap 26 onwards to have a go at the stops. From this point onwards the softs would be able to make it to the end of the race without too much difficulty.

    Mercedes moved Bottas into position and pulled the trigger on Lap 27, but Bottas came into his pit box a fraction too hot and the team lost 3/10ths of a second adjusting position to remove the wheels.

    When the leader Vettel came in a lap later to cover the move, his stop was normal and he came out approximately 3/10ths of a second in front.

    Bottas would not have been ahead with a normal stop, but Vettel would certainly have been coming out into a drag race with him down to Turn 4. In the end it was more comfortable than that for Vettel.

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    Hamilton and Ricciardo light up Interlagos.
    Ricciardo did a fine job to race from 14th on the grid to 6th at the flag on his mirror strategy. Although clocked at 338km/h with DRS and a tow on one lap, he did not enjoy the consistently enormous straight line speed advantage that Hamilton had with a new spec engine – sometimes as much as 25km/h faster on the straight than the cars he was passing – so it took longer to make progress. He wasn’t helped by contact on the opening lap, which dropped him down to 17th and last place behind the Safety Car.

    The accidents at the start helped Hamilton’s cause, boosting him to 14th place from 20th, but the Safety Car didn’t help him particularly.

    That’s because when he was racing he was able to pick off one car every lap – and two per lap in the early stages.
    So the five laps behind the Safety Car meant five fewer opportunities to overtake in the early stages and gain ground.

    Once he got to the front – after the leaders had pitted – his pace was strong, but once he pitted and came out on new tyres in clear air on Lap 44, as the graph below shows, Hamilton’s thicker trace is clearly dipping down consistently into lap times that are a second faster than the lead cars. (Verstappen’s outlier of a fastest lap was at the end of the race on supersoft tyres)

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    With low tyre degradation and a clear track ahead as he was leading after the front runners pitted, Mercedes extended Hamilton’s stint by seven laps over the original plan to Lap 44. He mounted an attack on Raikkonen at the end, but had lost 1.5 seconds passing Stroll (see Lap 48 on table above) and with tyres that were worn, he didn’t quite have enough impetus to make a pass for a podium.

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    Could Perez and Force India have done anything to get Massa and Alonso?

    Force India had a disappointing afternoon by their own high standards. Esteban Ocon’s long finishing streak came to an end due to a collision at the start with Romain Grosjean. That gave him his first retirement in F1 after a season and a half!

    Sergio Perez started fifth on the grid, but finished ninth after losing out at the start to Massa and Alonso. This tight midfield battle was a case study for the problem with the undercut. As the pit stop window opened on Lap 26, Alonso was one second behind Massa and Perez was one second behind Alonso.

    That was close enough to try an undercut but neither McLaren nor Force India tried it. Perez would have benefitted most from it as he was struggling to pass two cars, with Alonso able to get DRS from following Massa ahead.

    Massa had the luxury of pitting first on Lap 27 with no undercut attempt, then Alonso pitted and inevitably came out behind him. Perez and Force India, having missed the opportunity, decided to extend the stint and then try to make it up later on fresher tyres. He extended by seven laps, but lost too much time during that period and wasn’t able to get the benefit at the end. They crossed the line together in the same order in which they had raced.

    The UBS Race Strategy Report is written by James Allen with input and data from several F1 team strategists and from Pirelli
     
  15. PAP 348

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    Look at how simple those cars where back then. :)

    A LOT less aero, next to no brake cooling on the front it seems lol.

    Tiniest mirrors ever made for any car, ever! lol

    They have come along way in the last 20 years, imagine what it's going to be like in another 20 years. :)
     
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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/133042/australian-gp-considered-major-circuit-changes

    Australian Grand Prix chiefs have decided against a bold plan to change the current Albert Park Formula 1 layout to help create another overtaking spot.

    Autosport understands that the Australian Grand Prix Corporation investigated making a significant change to the Lakeside Drive part of the Melbourne circuit, replacing the fast Turn 11/12 complex with a 'stop' corner to create another passing opportunity.

    The plan would have changed the profile of the back straight to make it longer and faster, leading into a hard braking zone and a tight left-hander.

    With a new DRS zone in place, the idea was that it would create a new place to pass on the mostly-flowing layout.

    But it appears that the existing layout will remain unchanged in at least the short term.

    The AGPC has confirmed that an investigation into making the changes yielded too few benefits to make it worthwhile, a view shared by FOM following discussions between the two parties.

    As a result, the unique layout that has played host to Australia's round of the world championship since 1996 will continue to be used for the foreseeable future.

    "Like everything we do at the Australian Grand Prix Corporation, we give consideration from all angles," AGPC CEO Andrew Westacott told Autosport.

    "We have an ethos of continuous improvement which included looking at any opportunities for track changes. In looking at these opportunities, we undertook review with relevant parties and nothing beneficial presented itself."

    While the layout change will not be going ahead in the short term, there are plans to resurface the 22-year-old Albert Park roads.

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    No strict deadline has been given for the resurfacing, although the AGPC has indicated that it is likely to be targeted "in the coming years".

    As the Albert Park circuit is compiled almost entirely of public roads, even resurfacing works require significant and careful consideration from the AGPC to limit disruption to day-to-day traffic.

    Considerations over closing public roads is likely to have played a large part in the layout alteration investigation as well.

    Melbourne and the Albert Park circuit have an ongoing agreement to host the Australian GP until at least 2023.

    The opening round of the 2018 F1 season will take place at the track between March 22-25.
     
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    Abu Dhabi / 26 Nov
    Schedule
    1st Free practice Fri 24 Nov 20:00 - 21:30
    2nd Free practice Sat 25 Nov 00:00 - 01:30
    3rd Free practice Sat 25 Nov 21:00 - 22:00
    1st Qualifying Sun 26 Nov 00:00 - 00:18
    2nd Qualifying Sun 26 Nov 00:25 - 00:40
    3rd Qualifying Sun 26 Nov 00:48 - 01:00
    Race Mon 27 Nov 00:00 - 02:00
     
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  21. Aircon

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    what an F1 fan!
     
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    I am working this weekend. :(

    Might have to blow it to watch the race. :p
     
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    You have an excuse. Speedy is just slack.
     
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    Pap,who do you have to blow in order to watch the race?? :D:D:D
     
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