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2017 Rule Changes

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  1. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    From 2017 F1 car details: First glimpse into Formula 1 future - AUTO MOTOR AND SPORT
     
  2. BMWairhead

    BMWairhead Formula 3

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    Wider/longer. Soon they won't be able to pass because they won't fit two wide.
     
  3. toil

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    Faster is good but not being able to pass is stupid
     
  4. bbpathfinder

    bbpathfinder Karting

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    Just what we need, more downforce, dirtier air.
     
  5. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Like I said a few weeks back...WHO DREAMS THIS **** UP?!

    It's very simple. Simplify front wings (i.e. single elements, definitely not wider, quite the opposite), add venturi tunnels. Cars will have much more downforce, but will be able to follow.

    It's like the guys dreaming up these rules specifically want to ruin F1.
     
  6. piolaxo

    piolaxo Formula Junior

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    So the wider tires add mechanical grip, correct? That is a (+) in the changes.
    Wider car is similar, adds to the wider tires, even more mechanical grip. Another (+).
    Wider wings is the big (-). I guess the cars will require some more downforce, but
    30% more sounds a lot.
     
  7. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    ya...not sure why they didn't simplify the fw like the gp2 series. plenty of overtaking there without drs...sigh.
     
  8. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    +1
     
  9. william

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    +1
     
  10. william

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    +1
     
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  12. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

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    These new rules take F1 farther down the wrong road. More down force, more emphasis on aero devices, more wind tunnel time required, more advantage to most powerful PU, and they will likely look even more gruesome than they do now.

    The only changes that are worthwhile are the changes in track and tire size, if Pirelli can make tires that work.
     
  13. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    Disagree. Wider - lower and larger diffuser - lower rear wing profile will reduce the drag and trailing vorticies.. you will still have them regardless of any wing or no wings.

    wider tires and side pods I love it... with the current tracks F-1 has - there is no danger of the cars being to wide... even at Monaco.

    if you look at the cars from the early - late 80's they were WIDE!
     
  14. thirteendog

    thirteendog Formula 3

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    This is an engineering sport. Everyone having the same car like GP2 turns this into NASCAR and the IRL
     
  15. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

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    30 percent more downforce sounds like exactly what the don't need. Wider tires I'm all for but they should place limits on the front and rear wings for less downforce not more. What the heck are they thinking?
     
  16. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Monaco will be even duller than it already is with this formula. Great job by the clowns that dreamt up this set of tech regs NOT.
     
  17. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Well they are definitely going to look really cool with huge tires and massive wings. We'll see how the racing goes though...
     
  18. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Mercedes says this is a mistake also:

    F1 Racing News | Racer.com - F1's 2017 plan is 'wrong,' says Mercedes' Costa

    "As engineers we feel we have done quite a lot for the car being able to overtake, with the previous rules and the current rules. By going to a car that has an enormous amount of downforce and a very complex aerodynamic shape, in our opinion it will make overtaking more difficult."

    ...and

    "We believe we should go towards improving mechanical grip, more than a pure aerodynamic exercise."
     
  19. Bas

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    Rules for 2017 can still be adjusted. Hopefully FIA sees sense and actually listens...
     
  20. qwertstnbir

    qwertstnbir Formula 3

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    soon or later F1 cars will look like LMP1
     
  21. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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  22. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Or in other words, an F1 car with a roof on top.
     
  23. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Closed cockpits!.....

    And AFAIK they're still slower than an even a Marussia..... ;)
     
  24. william

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    Yep, and I don't think it's a bad thing.
     
  25. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    That's because they are designed for 24h races and not 90 minutes sprints !!!
     

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