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  1. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    I have heard the same thing in the press.
     
  2. itschris

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    Hmmm... I've gone through several articles about the new changes. Initially the early indications were that the sound was a priority and was part of the 2017 changes. More recent articles make no reference to any changes with exception of a couple a few months ago which talked about sound generators.

    Does anyone have the final world on what... if anything... was done to improve the sound?
     
  3. william

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    I think people have to give up the idea of improving the sound or making more noise with the present hybrid formula and the energy recovery systems that fit around the engine.
    It just won't happen.

    The best noise is always made by pure atmospheric engines, 8-cylinder+, preferably V10 or V12. I don't see any sign of engine suppliers wanting to go back there.

    Any engine with a turbo will always emit a muffled sound compared to an atmo.

    We have to wait for the next engine formula to see if some noise is recovered in future, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. I just cannot see the manufacturers going back to previous technology, and they have a vice grip on F1.
     
  4. itschris

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    I get all that, but when the 2017 regs were being proposed, there was a big push towards working on the sound. I'm trying to find if that was actually dropped or if something was done.
     
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  6. itschris

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    They did that last season. These changes were supposed to be introduced as part of the 2017 regulation updates. It appears nothing official was done. Same uninspiring noise. You would think the easiest way to make things better... not just for sound... but for overall excitement would be to let the cars rev to their max limits... 16 or 17K I believe. What's the point of having this ridiculously high end and complex PU at an equally ridiculous cost, then limit it by allowable fuel and flow limits. It's just so odd that F1 continue to do the EXACT opposite of what fans, drivers, and to some degree..teams... want.
     
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    5 liter V10s, 5 speed transmission with a gear lever and clutch, Flat bottoms, straight out exhausts with no muffling and small wings. Bammmmm!!
     
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    id be happy with a 3.0 liter 12 spinning to 20k+ rpm
     
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    The problem is the engine manufacturers want to be seen as "green" while also wanting to be known as the producers of the fastest cars. The inherent compromise is stifling.
     
  10. jgonzalesm6

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    tifoso 2728 - true....I have caught myself watching GP2 and find that more entertaining than F1.....at times!!! (Honestly.....I thought Merc. was going to pick up Pierre Gasly after Rosberg left but with all the regulations of stepping up to F1???)
     
  11. DF1

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    +1 and symptomatic of a formula with an identity crisis and no solution in sight...
     
  12. 444sp

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    I like your idea, a 2L V12 hybrid formula would be fantastic.
     
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    That'll make it more interesting. I really liked the eras of the tire wars, so bring on the fuel/lubricant wars! :D

    Definitely. :)

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  16. singletrack

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    Good lord - gives an idea of why F1 is so expensive.

    If they actually want to cut costs, this seems like a decent area to do so without a huge impact to the end product to drivers and spectators.

    Thanks for the link.
     
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    JANUARY 25, 2017

    New F1 rule to reduce driver penalties



    F1 has tweaked the rules so that drivers are penalised less often in 2017.

    This week, the final sporting regulations for the new season were published.

    Of particular note was article 38.1, following widespread criticism that too many penalties are being given to drivers for on-track incidents.

    Now, the rules state that even if Charlie Whiting reports an incident, the stewards can "decide whether or not to proceed with an investigation".

    And another tweak should restrict whether a driver can be penalised for borderline racing incidents.

    "Unless it is clear to the stewards that a driver was wholly or predominantly to blame for an incident, no penalty will be imposed," the regulations now state.
     
  22. william

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    I expect mayhem in future .
     
  23. NEP

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    Or favouritism!
     
  24. DF1

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    If drivers honor 'respect' to each other maybe not. If not then they should be penalized. I agree with driver's both current and former, who say that because the sport is much safer, silly risk moves etc are on the rise.
     
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    Max just got the green light , game on !
     

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