What can they do, refuse to race ? LOL
FEBRUARY 10, 2017 F1 engines not ready to crack 1000hp says Abiteboul F1's 'power unit' era is not quite ready to crack the incredible 1000 horse power barrier. That is the claim of Renault managing director Cyril Abiteboul, even though the Frenchman admitted the sport's engine makers will come close to four-digit numbers in 2017. "I think the top performance of the power units will be between 900 and 950hp," he told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport. "The teams counting on 1000hp may be a bit too optimistic -- I think not even Mercedes will achieve it. But it definitely is achievable within the current regulations," Abiteboul added. "We have some radical concepts to jump ahead, but not for this season. We need more time." Still, there is confidence. Red Bull's Dr Helmut Marko said this week that Renault's first upgrade in 2017 should bring the French-made engine up to Ferrari's level, just behind Mercedes. Abiteboul said: "We do not assume that we will be with Mercedes at the start of the season. But we like to believe we are close enough to have Red Bull fight against them if they build a good chassis. And I'm sure they will. "Our goal is to overtake the Mercedes engine in 2018." He played down suggestions that because Renault and Red Bull have different oil and fuel partners in 2017, that could affect performance this year. "The power unit has been developed for our partner, so BP and Castrol," Abiteboul admitted. "But we make sure that it also works with Exxon Mobil's petrol and oil for Red Bull and Toro Rosso. "The engine will be the same for all three teams," he said.
"There are now about ten days earlier in the week dedicated to the Formula 1 cars presentations that will participate in the World Championship 2017. A season that to what we have to understand is quite expected by many fans since the regulatory change that will make the more appealing cars and aggressive can lead according to many insiders more performance on the track works. We FUnoAnalisiTecnica we are not so convinced and again we have already expressed our doubts about the 2017 regulatory changes that could even re-expand the performance between Mercedes and other Top Team. The month of February is perhaps the month along with the one in January in all the factories where there is the greatest pressure on the employees of the year (not only engineers) because on one hand you have to finish the work on the cars in preparation for the early season tests, on the other begin to arrive the first rumors about the output data from other simulators Team . Days frantic especially in that of Maranello because, as understood from FUnoAnalisiTecnica , the engineers of the Italian team do not seem very happy with the output data from the wind tunnel and simulator as we wrote among other things also in the final part of this article . Formula 1 is a pretty top secret world, but our readers should know that the various Team, a little 'how to have fun FUnoAnalisiTecnica us (in a less demanding course), they try to figure out how strong should be the cars of the main competitors. Thanks to the latest information coming from Maranello on tables in recent weeks, in Ferrari they realized that the car originally conceived will not be particularly competitive with the new, high-performance Mercedes W08 and therefore it was decided to try to make any substantial changes to the project 2017 during construction; the first project only started by James Allison was finished in a hurry by Rory Byrne for not arrive unprepared in the eight-day pre-season test. Many of the interventions that the technicians are currently designing Ferrari will be substantial enough to make us think that we could even during the season (the first European races?) A Ferrari in B version with many changes compared to that which will be presented on 24th of this month and who will play is the test that the first races of the season. How understood and to be the most accurate we have to tell you, about the advances on the Ferrari 2017 we gave you not too long ago that the ' step increase of between 10 and 15 cm with respect to 2016 was linked to the car information B a few weeks ago in this part it is in the wind tunnel . Ferrari have decided to further extend the pace over the first project designed in Maranello who counted on a step of the car very similar in 2017 to that of 2016. As well as the car Ferrari also Mercedes, Red Bull and McLaren will go to increase the footsteps of their cars in 2016 , confirming the FUnoAnalisiTecnica anticipation of a few weeks ago where we had indicated the importance of a lengthening of pace compared to last season. In addition to ' interest changed thanks mainly to a revision of the rear axle , in Maranello are conducting further work to increase the downforce of the car whose 2017 basic version is very lacking. To try to compensate for lack of cargo, banks are trying to squeeze as much as possible the new Power Unit Italian pulling out the maximum number of horses. Power that could become critical to Ferrari in the first part of the World in 2017, this is to limit the damage on the main competitors. In conclusion, the latest information collected on the Italian team are not at all positive and indeed the situation that is taking shape is worse than expected . It would be understood FUnoAnalisiTecnica must therefore expect a rather red in difficulty in the early part of the season with a detachment from Mercedes W08 higher than that with which the car had finished the 2016 season; hoping that the changes brought forward by the engineers of the Italian Team give the expected results in the current season." Source:F1 2017: la Ferrari sta rivedendo il progetto della vettura 2017 - FUNOANALISITECNICA Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ha! The engine will be the same, but the power output will not be the same. Back in 2014, first year of the V6 turbo, it was said that the Mercedes engine in the McLaren was down almost 40 HP to the identical engine in the Mercedes chassis. The difference was that the engine was optimized on Petronas fuel, the Petronas fuel used by Mercedes was optimized for that engine, and Exxon-Mobil at McLaren was a long way behind on their fuel spec for the Mercedes engine.
LOL yeah. And that dang title kept annoying me. When I finally looked at the article link I saw that it should be this: Formula Uno Analisi Technica Ahh, isn't that easier on the eyes? Whew!
F1 | The Ferrari 2017 is not convincing, a version B already from European competitions? Sources at Maranello speak of a Ferrari F1 2017 is not convincing. According F1AnalisiTecnica engineers in Maranello team have decided to deeply review the design of the Ferrari 2017, only sketched by James Allison Before the goodbye to Cavallino and completed in haste by Rory Byrne to get at least not totally unprepared for winter testing. But in Maranello, in the light of the data released by the wind tunnel not encouraging, the technicians would be working to change so profound as to suggest even to a B version of the Ferrari F1 2017 to be deployed within the first European races. Ferrari will be presented on February 24, and then who will play tests and first races of the season could be very different from the model that will replace it and played much of the season. In particular the rumored step increase between 10 and 15 cm cover version B which also would be already being in a wind tunnel test. The main objective of the new version of the Ferrari 2017 will still be the increased downforce. To limit the damage in the first races, Ferrari is trying to squeeze the most of the power unit trying to extract the most horsepower possible to cope with the shortage of the downforce of the car first step. February 11th, 2017 source:F1 | La Ferrari 2017 non convince, una versione B già dalle gare europee? - News Formula 1 (translated from for those that dont understand Italian)
We are only a week away from the first 2017 car introductions. The kick-off will be by Sauber on the 20th of February. We will see loads of news because of the regulatory changes. Broader and lower: we expect the cars to be spectacular and aggressive-looking. The last 2 months before the reveal are a hectic period. The pressure is on full to finish the work. It is also the month where the first teasers appear, and where the first rumours concerning the cars start circulating. It is also these months where cars are run through simulators to accumulate data. Although these data are top secret, personal contacts give teams ways to peek at the other teams data. Rumours has it that the Maranello team were not really happy when comparing their data to those of other teams. Wind-tunnel data has not been as good as expected when comparing it to the competition. The team has not made a very confident impression over the last couple of seasons, and this hits right at the heart of their insecurity. Did James Allisons departure of the team caught Maurizio Arrivabene by surprise? It seems so. Allisons wife passed away in March 2016, and he left the team in June 2016 to spend more time with his family. Mattia Binotto took over. By then work on the 2017 car had already started, and left Ferrari with a semi-developed car. The 2017 car, the SF17-JB (possibly named after Jules Bianchi), made Ferrari decide to once again call in for help from Rory Byrne. The 72 year old, has already resigned from F1 more than once, but is called upon by Ferrari when they need help. Byrne was the leading designer in the period that Schumacher wan his world-titles at Ferrari. Ferrari has never been the team that wanted to exploit the regulation passed its limits, but the return of Byrne suggests the 2017 might be more radical and advanced than other season. However, as already stated, rumours are that the car doesnt aerodynamically perform as Ferrari wishes. Looking at the information arriving at Ferrari HQ in Maranello in recent weeks, they realised that the car they conceived may not be particularly competitive compared to the brand new Mercedes W08. It is not even a single issue problem, as we hear that the car under performs in aerodynamic drag (wind resistance), as well as in its capability to generate downforce. Is this because of the car being left without its original designer, or because of the aggressiveness of Byrnes modifications? What we gather is that Ferrari technicians have been sent back to the drawing board. This would make a major upgrade possible a couple of months into the season. In an effort to compensate, the Italians are putting every thing they have to squeeze the last bit of power out of the engine. Will this prove to be effective? This means that at the beginning of the season we will likely see Ferrari falling short to hook up with Mercedes. Not good news for the Tifosi. Will this season prove the closing of the gap with Mercedes, or will it tip the scale for Vettel and decide to switch teams? Rather encouragingly, the team successfully fired up their 2017 Power Unit for the first time today (Sunday 12th) with the car due to turn a wheel in two weeks on the Friday 24th at Fiorano for a filming day. source:https://thejudge13.com/2017/02/12/2017-ferrari-aero-issues-unlikely-to-challenge-mercedes/
No Mercedes 'sand-bagging' so says Lauda - Lauda expects F1 teams to show true pace before Melbourne Will be interesting to see how that unfolds....
Formula 1 teams fail to reach consensus on trick suspension systems - F1 - Autosport --Formula 1 teams have failed to reach an agreement on the legality of trick suspension systems, with a ruling now expected from the FIA before the start of pre-season testing. Debate about pre-loaded suspension systems has been ongoing since Ferrari designer Simone Resta wrote to F1 race director Charlie Whiting about the devices helping aerodynamic performance.-- This will be fun to see evolve!
Fun indeed, considering any suspension spring by its nature is already a pre-loaded device storing energy. Can of worms
Ferrari scheitert im Fahrwerk-Streit: Droht nun Protest in Melbourne? - AUTO MOTOR UND SPORT AMuS reports that Ferrari can't figure out how the suspension of RBR and Mercedes is working. Apparently they have repeatedly submitted their best guess at how it may work to the FIA to get it declared illegal... to be notified that this was not the used technology. They have resorted to baiting the FIA to understand the functioning of the suspension system... without success. If that is all true, then Ferrari can't do much about it, except putting their heads down and think out of the box. The article also says that no poached staff had knowledge of the workings, meaning that they may have come up with some very clever concepts they are paranoid of sharing. I am amazed that sometimes such big innovations are achieved in the oldest part of the car, the suspension.
(translated from German) Ferrari wanted to strangle the miracle chassis of Mercedes and Red Bull at the meeting of the technical working group. But the project failed due to a lack of fellow rivals. No comments yet On 7 February, the technicians of Formula 1 met for a regular meeting of the working group in Geneva. It was mainly about the "active" running gear of Mercedes and Red Bull. They are in the opinion of some competition teams in a gray zone of the regulations. Ferrari, in particular, is worried about the trick, the trick of the two World Cup favorites could decide the championship automatically in their favor. Ferrari fights against chassis stricks That is why Ferrari and a small followers fought on the mysterious chassis of the world champion and his challenger. It controls the roll stiffness and the ground clearance, depending on the driving condition. This means that the two top teams not only have dynamic advantages. Aerodynamics also benefits because the car is always attracted to the car. It is only known that the car is lowered on the straight line in order to provoke a flow break on the diffuser. This increases the top speed with the same flight setting. But you do not know why the quick thing is not the same thing. It has also been heard that the chassis progressively becomes softer when steered. The stronger the steering angle, the more so. In slow corners more than in fast. However, the steering angle must not be used as information. Nevertheless, the system reacts as a function of this. FIA considers landing gear to be legal Ferrari tried everything to get behind the secret, but failed. The Italians have bombarded the FIA ​​with inquiries, hoping to draw conclusions from the answers. But all that Ferrari and other teams suspect is illegal. The FIA, however, is of the opinion that Mercedes and Red Bull are moving on the ground. Even the abduction of engineers brought the other teams behind the mystery of the miracles. Obviously, the circle of the wits is extremely small. Ferrari not successful in technician meeting Some technicians wanted to ask the FIA ​​that Mercedes and Red Bull have to drop the pants. Or the FIA ​​explains why the chassis is legal in its opinion. But the campaign went unsuccessfully. Like Ferrari's attempt to write the rules around the chassis even more strictly to prevent excesses. Ferrari found only three competitors at the technology meeting. Too little to push for a change of rule. It could now turn out that a team in Melbourne protest, Mercedes or Red Bull should be superior there. Then the cards would have to be on the table. source: Ferrari scheitert im Fahrwerk-Streit: Droht nun Protest in Melbourne? - AUTO MOTOR UND SPORT
So a protest is the last thing that will happen unless Charlie drops a major adjustment prior to the race or even testing. Ferrari need to get on with it. Spend the time and resources on a winning car.
Agree, but they simply can't. They have no patience. Ferrari's engineers and legal department tattling questions to Whiting should have a special name as no one else on the field seems to drone on about such issues as often. I have to wonder if Ferrari have engineers specifically assigned to searching out questionable team practices. I love Ferrari but good gracious, as you said, just get on with it.
Ferrari asked for a clarification sometime ago about what was/wasn't legal and of course Whiting will only give said clarification before the first test. Whether Ferrari can/can't figure out the suspension is one issue; the fact that Charlie waited until the eve of testing to clarify what is/isn't legal is something else. Why would Ferrari waste time on a concept that potentially wouldn't be legal? Of greater importance-why does Whiting still have a job? That moron should have been sacked after Japan 2007.
When a team is spending its time trying to get its competition declared illegal, it usually means that they are in real trouble with their own design and the best way to compete is in arbitration rather than on track. This doesn't sound good for Ferrari. Could be a long year. I'm changing my prediction...Ferrari 4th-6th in the WCC, with no wins and only 4 podiums. Mercedes and Red Bull will be 1-2. Ferrari will fight with Torro Rosso, Williams and McLaren for third.
"When a team is spending its time trying to get its competition declared illegal, it usually means that they are in real trouble with their own design and the best way to compete is in arbitration rather than on track. This doesn't sound good for Ferrari. Could be a long year." Agreed, it sounds like we are desperate
