2020 F40 Icona ...Its Coming, Get Excited!!!!

After a closer look, the front/hood now remind me a lot of the F150 Laboratorio.

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I believe that at this point we all see what we want to see ..

 

I am thrilled to learn a carbon fibre chassis, mid engine V12 without the extra weight of a hybrid power is coming! No matter how much extra power a hybrid adds it can’t offset the negative handling and braking the extra weight causes. Do we really require more power than the V12 Competizione motor gives us if it penalizes us with the extra weight and it’s negative effects?

Can’t wait to see and hear more about this dream Ferrari.


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Ferrari have been adamant that the hybrid system adds to the overall performance (i.e. laptimes). The independent test tend to corroborate that claim.

 

Yes faster lap times because of more acceleration on the straights, but you can’t fight physics thats why F1 cars turn their fastest laps when they are low on fuel and lighter at the end of the race even on deteriorated tires. Less weight is better in my opinion, but if you prefer more power even though it weighs more, go for it, I respect your choice.


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Not really. They change on fresh tyres at the end to turn up the pace. Of course it is track dependent, as some are more tyre degrading than others. But it still is a moot point, as the power remains the same. Of course they will be faster with the same power and less weight.

 

New icona car is p4-ish.

 

I think it will look like 330tri

 

P4

 

Possibly for wheel mounted telemetry equipment? It might be easier for testing than central lock
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Whatever you want to know about either of those cars is well documented here and elsewhere.
The p4/5 is a very special one off, much like the unique cars made for others like Eric Clapton for example- so what is your issue?


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may be one day they will also make an icona of this, based on next gen front engined v12 or something like that...


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A One-Off based on the 812C Aperta and inspired by this incredible 330 Tri could be Spectacular!

 

Next level of uggliness...

 

Wow, I'd absolutely love that.

 

I have no issue, simply an observer. Any documentation I have read that has been published publically supporting Jims views on those two cars appears to have been presented solely by Jim, do you dispute that? if so can you provide links to such for us all to read. Those mentioned within his documentation are done so typically under the basis of hearsay, I am not aware of any at this time, outside of Jims presentations who have independently and publically later confirmed what has been listed in his support documentation. Jim withdrew from the debates on here quite a number of years ago now, so he may well have continued such elsewhere? again can you provide links if that is the case.

Many people overs the years have come out and publically disputed the contents of such, as you say the entire matter is well documented both on fchat and other notable websites such as the Autosport Forum, in that case by the highly regarded expert and author Doug Nye.

Eric Claptons cars were directly purchased from Ferrari, as will be the icona cars detailed in this thread, so have no relevance to your reply.

 

another retro creation from radford + lotus. please note that the rear-view mirror position will be same on p4 icona and it's looking huge. instead of fender mounted mirrors the radford uses cameras.

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you can dispute 0846 all you want in the relevant thread.
as for p45, there are plenty of examples of cars made outside of the factory that are limited run designs - many of them for japanese owners for example.
but i dont really know what you are getting at with p45.
its a redesign, and you can either like it or dislike it. period.
what kind of documentation are you referring to for that car that is somehow required for your approval....not that anybody really needs it....
the market has already spoken about those cars and even p45 - not that it is for sale, but if it were ever to come up, it would likely exceed the value of a regular enzo by many multiples.

 

Funny how you elected to totally ignore the most important line in my initial post, which was "both great cars regardless"

It is you who is attempting to stir up this matter by continuing in this vein here.

My response was just to a previous poster on this thread who had made comment about Jims car, and mine was simply a balanced reply to their post.

That view, which on an open discussion forum we all have have every right to air, without seeking your approval first, is based on the owners desire to have their non factory modified car still linked to the factory after its construction by Pininfarina..

They initiated such in the past, listed comments they say were made by senior Ferrari people accepting the modified car back into the fold, and I have asked if you can provide any subsequent links where Ferrari have officially and independently sanctioned such.

I have no views either way, and base my observations so far on information that the owner has made public, I have no dog in the fight, if you can provide links to confirm the factory have independently accepted the ex Enzo to be a Ferrari still, post rebuild, then that closes the matter.

Are you speaking your mind also as an impartial observer? or as Jims friend as you have identified previously? or on behalf of Jim now that he no longer participates directly on fchat?

Jims car, which he decided to call P4/5 exists in exactly the same manner as Singer Porsches. An owner supplies a donor, a non factory company reconstructs that donor to the specification requested by the owner, and given the company are deemed to be modifiers and not car builders, the post build car can retain any original badging from the donor without infringing any intellectual property rights.

Much like anyone can buy a Ferrari badge from an authorised seller, they then own that badge and can do whatever they like with it, even stick it on their fridge.

However it does not then make that fridge a Ferrari, just a fridge with an official Ferrari badge on it. Try to later sell that Fridge as a Ferrari product and see what happens.

Singer overstepped the mark very recently when they placed Porsche badging on a vehicle which had little to nothing to do with the donor they had associated it with, Porsche moved very swiftly to stamp that out. Despite Singers being amazing cars, they are not officially sanctioned by the factory to date.

This thread relates to official Ferrari factory cars only. Fchat has a section specifically meant for cars that fall out of that category, and is really the best place to continue such a discussion if you chose. Our own long term project happily sits in that section, we have no need or desire to ever have it still branded an official Ferrari product despite it being made from all Ferrari components and an original Ferrari chassis.

 

wasn't there at least some recognition by ferrari? it was awhile ago so my memory is hazy

 

you seem to have argued yourself into a ball of confusion.
i think i will just leave you there.

 

We will take that as a "no" then to the question raised below, as well as that also posed by Will Crook.

Back to the topic at hand........

 

There was. The car is officially a Ferrari, which make sit more than a "Singer" type thing.

Jim likes to tell the story about LdM not knowing what a P4 was etc etc etc. Hard to disprove him as pretty much the only people said to witness the whole thing firsthand was him, LdM and Andrea Pininfarina who is dead. I do not believe that LdM wasn't well versed on Ferrari's history, and I think this bit to Jim's story is a little embellishment, but once again, I was not there.

But the car is recognized as a Ferrari, just as other Pininfarina one-offs made for the Sultan of Brunei were also recognized as such. They don't go around shouting about it, but the badges are on the car for a reason. Different, say, to the Touring creations that don't carry Ferrari badges although they are on Ferrari chassis.

 

Thanks for the Glickenhaus history lesson, any news on the new Icona being launched next month at Mugello?


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Singer’s cars are as much Porsche as the P4/5 is Ferrari. Both carry the badge with permission from the factory, neither one is considered an official factory car. Singer doesn’t pretend to be one, they are marketing their car as a restoration of a 911, not a new model, which is also why the factory allows them to use the badge. Also, while the P4/5 is a re-bodied Enzo, the Singer is a thoroughly re-designed car from every aspect, that performs at a completely different level to its donor.

Back to the Icona 2 now…No major news, people who will be offered the car should know before the end of October, but I must say info has been contained surprisingly well.


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