2020 F40 Icona ...Its Coming, Get Excited!!!!

Singers do not carry the Porsche badges with the approval of the factory, they carry the badges associated with the donor car, which are still owned by the person who provides that car to Singer. Singer simply convert it. No property rights affected that way.

If Singer were to buy 911s then convert them and then sell them on with Porsche badges fitted, the factory lawyers would be on them like a ton of bricks.

Despite the claims above, there has been no evidence ever provided that Ferrari have approved Jims P4/5, its still all hearsay so far it seems.

Simple enough to resolve though, but no one ever does.

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/03/08/porsche-singer-acs-all-terrain-competition-study/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAK_bbF_rMKs26jebN3_JgQ7apz8mp-3SlfECa8XEGs3SzZf0mUfEaQ41ZTvoyZ8ep2IqPO8A3WJCXDvamiQl2nwgRLA-_qOSpeehtU06zXHjKzrkaXB5GT2dUpGq3AZiLelabzBC7lwkeT6fI_v8eMprYKF5cB3O5Yh-LYU7gWGK

 

Back on topic please.

 

if the car is based on the laferrari, will it use same 9 years old laferrari chassis and composite materials? by this time isn't it possible to achieve some lightness and more rigidity in the chassis structure?

 

The basis is the LaF Aperta chassis, then it might be a bit heavier than the coupé.
But because the Icona 2 won’t have any hybridation, it might gain weight just thanks to this.

 

I don’t think that is easy to do. It would Involve complete re-testing/homologation of the part.
My guess is that -if the car is based on the LaF- it will use the same tech and materials


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Who made you a moderator? I was rectifying an untrue claim further up, made by another user, using facts, something others it seems try to avoid.

 

Your susceptibility is disproportionate. If I come to consult this thread this is only to have news about the next Icona.

 

and with that said the new Icona thought to owe it's origins to the Ferrari P4 has some design competition in the form of Ferrari P4/5 by Pininfarina. Mr Manzoni makes a habit of reviewing older Ferrari designs from several previous generations as a way to evolve design characteristics for new models.
P4/5 shows a more clear design intent than the cloth bag currently gliding around on Via Abetone and elsewhere...

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Has anyone commented on the bagged car’s sound. Is it definitely a V12?


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to my knowledge the earlier mules had the v12 sound, so its likely that its going to be a naturally aspirated v12

 

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if the car is really sold out and shown to the "vip"s then how-come some previous icona owners have no clue about the car?

 

Luca Montezemolo flew to Pininfarina and gave them the official OK to use Ferrari badging on the P 4/5.

 

I have not seen the car and none of the SP1/2 owners I know have either. That doesn’t mean no one has, but I am not able to find one.



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At the risk of upsetting our friend above from France (even though I have a right of reply) yet again where is this evidenced?

In the you tube video recently posted on the previous page, Jims son clearly states that Ferrari knew nothing about the conversion of his Enzo. Which is curious as those bespoke panels have indents moulded into them in which only Ferrari badges would later fit.

If LdM as also claimed, did not even know what a P4 was! then why would such a very busy man go out of his way purely to inspect an independent car like that, if that was the case then I am sure he would have also had no issue in providing a simple signed, letter headed, written statement confirming such at the same time. I know if it was mine that would have been the first thing I would have requested after the event.

Let us be clear here, I am simply asking very basic questions when someone else first posts these claims (with nothing supplied to support such). These people are actually hindering Jims case that the car is now Ferrari approved, not helping it.

If such a statement was made by LdM then I am sure that a Massini report would confirm such, which could be another method of quashing this debate for good,

Should such surface, I would be one of the first to applaud the fact, as I believe it would be the first non Ferrari initiated conversions to be later welcomed back into the fold? even the historically significant Breadvan race car has not achieved that?

I also agree, this debate is for another thread, maybe a mod could now chop out all reference to the p4/5 and slot it into the appropriate one, otherwise this will go on and on.

 

The approval for a modified 2003 Ferrari Enzo was not sought before Pininfarina started this project. Ferrari were angry about this project and wanted to 'see it'. Thus LdM went to see Andrea Pininfarina and was shown a model of the design. After seeing the design he gave his approval that this was a Ferrari with the name given. In reality however in the eyes of governments this is still legally a 2003 Ferrari Enzo. Jean Todt also liked the car and had his Ferrari photographer take many detailed pictures of the car.
The new Icona moves Ferrari from the 50's into the 60's with a new model that will easily exceed the hype surrounding the Monza. The Sports Racing Ferrari models of the 1960's represent perhaps the zenith of Ferrari racing cars that the public can relate directly to as a street/race car. The new Icona might even be called the Le Mans; a name that Ferrari first tried to use for the 1987 F40 program.

 

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The wait is unbearable!

 

I know Ferrari has offered the Icona P4 car to a few Icona owners that I know personally, but I’ve only heard about one person being shown the car. Ferrari is not giving the people they communicate with any details on the car, just an invitation to the unveiling and asking if you accept their offer to buy the car.


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The new Icona screams out for Giallo!

 

That raised tail..512 anyone? Another oustanding sport prototype.

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The top mounted airbox would explain the hump on the rear deck on the prototype ( although looks positioned wrongly) .

 

On the website of Ferrari for the Finali Mondiali when you look at the program it says for Sunday 21 November at 14:30 "FERRARI SHOW & OFFICIAL PICTURE".

Perhaps the launch of the P4 Icona?

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It will be a tough and somewhat risky move for Ferrari to try to out do Pininfarina P4/5.

I'm a bit surprised that Ferrari gave approval for P4/5. But did they present conditions for this approval?

Could Ferrari now borrow styling elements from that car with the approval of Pininfarina? Or could we have a close copy of P4/5 and even have the Pininfarina badge on it?

Anyway, while P4/5 looks nice, it is somewhat outdated design, even if being modernized version of 330 P4. It looks good from several angles and particularly the upper side air intakes look cool. The nose could be modernized though and rear end could use a bit different design. I'm not a big fan of those white exhaust pipes either.

 

I will say I love the P4/5.

The fact a Ferrari lover made it based on his history with the brand, it is SO AWESOME.

Does that mean nothing after can follow? Nobody can “copy”, but wasn’t that a copy?

WAIT, what does “Copy” mean?

Oh wait, this is a not an argument any second hand party can win.

Ferrari will be so able to make an Icona model without a problem.

Can we get an Icona Dino? I would love that!!!!!!

 

Clearly this car has NOTHING to do with an F40. The mods should change the name of the thread.

On another note. Comparisons to Jim’s car is silly.