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2022 Saudi Arabian GP: Post Race Analysis

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  1. SS454

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    To start the season, I'd have to say we are 2 for 2 for entertaining races. Some interesting shake ups in qualifying, and a very scary crash from Schumacher. At the time of writing this, no post race penalties have been applied.

    Red Bull claim their first pole with Perez (first of career), as well as the race victory. It wasn't a big surprise they were very very strong. Red Bull brought a specific low downforce packaged which proved to be a good decision. Being 6-8 kph faster than everyone is pretty incredible. I feel they have some trickery going on with maybe stalling the diffuser or something the reduce drag, as their speed advantage is not down to power. Verstappen didn't have his best quali, but was great in the race. Amazing clean racing with Leclerc once again and used his straight line speed advantage to make the pass. A deserving victory. Perez, very unlucky with the safety car, but I am not certain he did have the pace to win the race, but a podium was probably very likely.

    Ferrari another great result. Leclerc opens the book to some incredibly mindful tactics during the race, and in back to back races is showing an edge in his mental game over Verstappen. It could be moot point, but I would like see how Verstappen gained time during the VSC over Charles. Going into that VSC, Leclerc had a 1.4ish second advantage, and coming out it was well under 1 second. Carlos by his own admission is still a step behind Charles, but he's still driving really really good. A strong podium, beat Perez, that's a good day. I don't know why race control did not tell Perez to give Sainz the position prior to going green, it was pretty clear cut that Sainz was ahead at the SC line. But a race without F1 getting it wrong some how? Almost rare these days. Sainz technically did slow down during the double waved yellows, but in all honesty it's not enough. Drivers need to start respecting the flags better. I should mention I really liked Ferrari's dummy call on the first pitstop that seemed super obvious, but Red Bull fell for it. I think Charles' tires were much better and planned to go several laps longer. And shout out to great pitstops again.

    Mercedes still a long way off the top teams. George did everything right and 5th is the best that was possible. Hamilton actually drove a really good race, but was shockingly hit with some bad luck with VSC and that really hurt his race. Signs continue to point towards their PU not being all that great.
    Alpine may have come into the race looking like the best of the rest, but I'm not sure they are genuinely better than Mercedes yet. I don't think the SC/VSC's helped them in the race, but Ocon should have easily been able to dispatch Norris. I really did enjoy the interteam battle, but their racing each other certainly didn't help their race. Sadly, I think Alpine should have stepped in and tried to get them to focus on attacking Russell ahead. Alonso, bad luck for him. Had a great race going, points were almost certain.

    McLaren has to been very happy just to get some points. Probably not representative of their actual pace, but take the points when they come. A very strong result for Norris. Ricciardo having a mechanical failure was probably a benefit to him as chances he finished in the points were slim anyways.

    AlphaTauri I expected to be better than they are. Tough break for Yuki, but it would have been a difficult day for him regardless. Gasly at least finished the race, but to be behind a Mclaren doesn't look good.
    Haas back in the points again. The car is legitimately pretty good. If things go their way, a top 5 may be possible for them. They will need to maximize points early as their development program probably will not be as strong as other teams. Magnusson again coming in with a good race. Shame about Mick, and it sounds like they may not even have a car ready for him in Australia. Let's hope for the best their.

    Alfa Romeo certainly had a car to score points today. Not sure what happened to Bottas, but was another driver struck by bad luck all around the same time. Zhou not a great day. Hopefully his career doesn't shadow Tsunoda's, where after a great debut falls to being one of the worst on the grid. Time will tell.

    Aston Martin still feeling the pains. Rumor's is they have a car in the wind tunnel that is drastically different than their current car. That might be encouraging because the current car stinks. Hulkenberg finishing ahead of Stroll is fortunate for him as he dropped like a stone on his used tires. Hamilton and Magnusson didn't struggle on theirs. Fair enough, I'm sure he was physically not as prepared as the other drivers, which could have been a factor in such a demanding race. Stroll getting clipped by Albon, I only saw the one replay, but it appeared Stroll turned in and was at least equally at fault.

    Williams had a miserable day, and it's probably going to one of many this season. They appear to be the worst on the grid. Albon certainly is the better driver on the team. Unsure how much he was at fault for his own DNF. Latifi probably needs to find a new career, however he sure has a way of shaking up a race with his incompetent driving.

    Driver of the Race: Charles Leclerc. Despite missing out on the win, he pulled out some strategic tactics during the race that got he best of Verstappen. Pure pace and driving, they were pretty equal, but the mental game, Leclerc was better.
     
  2. 375+

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    Nice summary Chris.
     
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  3. Bas

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    Good summary.

    RE the VSC delta, it could be that Max maximized the Delta and Charles was off slightly right around take off time, or indeed the track went green simply on a better spot for Max.

    Max's dummy on Leclerc was excellent and was the set up to overtake Charles.

    Great battle so far this year.
     
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  4. fatbillybob

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    Yes and the whole grid knows how to play the DRS swap. Is slowing to make sure you get DRS on your rival... "racing?" The lay public see cars swapping leads and that's cool and all but as a racer, I'm not impressed with the "DRS swap." What do you guys think about this technique?
     
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  5. fatbillybob

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    Latifi messed Merc last year. While not as serious in race 2 of the new season, he isn't playing favorites and messed up RB just to show he's an equal opportunity screwer upper.
     
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  6. Bas

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    I absolutely despise DRS, and I honestly can't believe that when the rules where written from scratch (!), DRS was in consideration.

    DRS is unnatural and had they written the rules properly we could've gotten rid of it completely.
     
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    And since the cars of this formula show they can stay close and pass let's get rid of dorky simulated push to pass button called DRS.
     
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    Yep. Glue the DRS shut, give them bigger brake ducts in return.

    No more overheating brakes and real overtakes return.
     
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  9. 20000rpm

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    I feel the races prior to the DRS era were more challenging as it really brought the race craft to the fore. These days, its just used to overtake or get closer to the rival before getting the overtake done at the next zone.
    Seeing your question reminds me on an interview wherein the interviewer asked Alonso if too many gadgets, buttons on the dashboard has made the monkey(in this case, the driver) more dumb. While the essence of the question was lost as it was too long, I still feel that F1 is not what it should be.
    Fans watch F1 for the drivers skills, competitiveness while maintaining respect for your rivals. Atleast, I do.
     
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    I enjoy watching old races, and the name of the game used to be to do everything you could to get close to the car you're trying to pass because the closer you got to the car ahead, the faster you went. Unless and until that comes back, I'm afraid we're going to be stuck with DRS.

    FWIW, I watch F1 to see large teams of brilliant, dedicated engineers, strategists, and technicians pushing the edge of innovation and execution to compete against each other. The drivers are a necessary part of the team, but not the most important or even the most interesting.
     
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  11. william

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    DRS is part and parcel of the development of aero which, IMO, has gone out of hands.

    Without DRS now, I fear there would be no meaningful racing left, and surely less passes.
     
  12. Bas

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    Yes, but with a blank sheet technical revolution, they could've easily designed a formula which got rid of DRS.
     
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    I think the problem is the excess of aero, and the FIA has taken the decision to surrender to it.
    I think they should have made rules to significantly reduce downforce, by imposing varifiable limits.
    The cars would be more difficult to drive, the grip would be less, the drag greatly reduced, etc ... and probably the racing closer.

    Some aerodynamicistss have proposed that 5, or 10 years ago, only to be ignored by the FIA.
     
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    Yes that's about it.

    For the same reasons I'm pissed off with the FIA for implementing DRS in F2 and DRS. They're spec cars. Make the design so that close following is possible and let the driver do the rest. What these drivers are doing now in junior formula's is instead of learning to overtake, they just get to a straight, press the DRS button and ease passed. It's creating a lazy driver.

    People often say that the refueling created racing where drivers didn't always go for an overtake because it would be easier to get it done on strategy, and the real overtake happened in the pitlane/in/outlap. The DRS "overtaking" is just as bad if not worse.
     
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  15. Mitch Alsup

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    The problem with this strategy is the F1 would become slower than some other series. Something F1 cannot afford.
     
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    If we go back to the formula I posted a week ago (<625Kg cars, NA v10/V12 powered, 1800mm width) some of the current downforce could still be scalped off. That (more than) takes care of the speed issue imposed by reducing downforce.
     
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    Looking back to the OP, it was a great race, edge of my chair all the way through. Nobody at the front folded up. SC and VSC played with everyone's luck...and such is racing. Yes, less aero and no DRS would be ideal.
     
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  18. william

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    F1 had periods in its history when it was slower than some other series. The 1.5L period, for example (1961-1965).
     
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    I personally despise the inevitability of a DRS pass and agree with Bas that it is developing a 'lazy' form of racing all the way down the food chain.

    This year more than ever before you can see the weight of the cars and how much less nimble they are. The cars remind me of Indy Cars from the mid 90's and that is far from a good thing.

    Back to Latifi I cannot understand why this guy does not get more hate. He had a sub-standard junior formula career and has been dominated by his teammates. All of this while filling the stereotype of the rich kid who never had to worry about his finances. Now he is becoming more often a strategy piece when he crashes yet guys like Stroll and Mazepin are labelled as talent-less sons of billionaires and Latifi is no different.
     
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    No one knew DRS would not be needed with the current regs. No one knew if cars could get close and race. two races in and with all cars close running they should try a GP, just like they tried sprint qualifying, and just have a race with no active DRS and see what happens. I think it is contrived when you slam on the brakes to get your opponant over the detection line first so you can DRS the guy.
     
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    I agree about the Indy cars, they even start to look alike! I know they're very fast, but when they aproach a corner, they look like porkers to me! Those things are bigger than an S class Mercedes! DRS is a horrible contraption, and it should be a priority to get rif of it! As fro Latifi, he's just as bad as Mazepin and Stroller. They are all useless in a grid filled with good talent.
     
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  22. william

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    I would risk saying that apart from his driving indiscretions, Latifi doesn't attract attention like those other 2.

    You know probably that it's the social media that start these "hate" campaigns, and you can escape their attention to a point by not being too ostentatious.
     
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    There is no doubt Latifi is a fine young man with a clean cut who keeps himself out of the spotlight. That said he is not F1 material either. Excellent world class driver no doubt by not quite at the level of the pinnacle of the sport.
     
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  24. william

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    The thing is, DRS is there to stay.

    Some drivers will extract more from it than other, and Leclerc seems to get it to perfection.

    Instead of defending like mad, Chas let VER sail by, get the detection and passes him in the next straight.

    I think Verstappen felt outfoxed a few time before understanding there was a method in Charles' madness of braking early.

    Leclerc is a smart cookie in my book !!
     
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    The merit of some drivers to be in F1 has been debated several times.

    If a driver meets all the criteria to obtain a Superlicense, and the backing to get a seat, what can possibly stops him from racing?

    Some teams see the financial benefit of having them onboard.
     
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