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2023 Bahrain GP: Post Race Analysis

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  1. SS454

    SS454 Formula 3

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    The 2023 Formula 1 season is officially underway. There was a deadzone in the race when all the drivers were managing tires, but the second half of the race was full of action.

    Red Bull Racing are in a league of their own. The worry that they would have more race pace than quali pace has been confirmed. Max was completely in control after about 5 laps. Perez had to put some work in to get 2nd, but after that he was in control as well. Fair to say they both had a lot of pace in reserve. Unfortunately for F1 fans, it is starting to appear that we are just going to see another era of domination by a single driver/team. That's terrible for the sport, but its only been one race. Perfect result for Red Bull.

    Aston Martin have made giant leaps over the winter. Of course the addition of Fernando Alonso brings so much to the team. Whatever is possible in the car, Alonso will get the max out of it and so far he has a great attitude which is great to see. His driving was masterclass today. Stroll, nearly destroyed it all in just the first lap of the season. Racing incident perhaps, but that was a dive bomb and entirely Stroll's fault if things went bad. But hey, they both continued without damage and all is good. Huge respect to him for gutting it out. 3 limb of his 4 limbs with injuries and he raced to a 6th place, that's pretty impressive. It was sad to hear Lawrence Stroll thank his team, and give a huge praise to his son, but didn't even mention Alonso.

    Ferrari, oh Ferrari. Tire wear concerns are true. That removes so many options for them during a race. Leclerc had 3rd in the bag, which all things considered would have been acceptable. The car has pace which is good. Reliability issues are worse than tire wear issues. We saw some Ferrari PU failures in testing, and so it would seem Leclerc's problems were not a one off. When you think of how limited teams are with spare PU parts, penalties could be early and often for Ferrari. Sainz was outclassed by Leclerc, but did an amazing job defending against Hamilton. Probably fought too hard against Alonso, but it was fair and exciting.

    Mercedes also had better race pace than quali pace. Unsurprisingly Lewis did a better job than Russell. Perhaps Hamilton should have got 4th. His car was definitely faster than a struggling Sainz, and Alonso got through quite easily. Lewis' tires were only 4 laps older than Alonso's, and much better than Sainz's. 5th is still a pretty good result. Russell did his thing, but spent more time fighting with Stroll than making progress to stay with Lewis. Toto complaining about how it was one of the worst races was silly. It's pretty bad when Skysports questions the budget if/when Mercedes bring out their B spec car. As soon as Lewis made his usual "motivational speech" to his team on the radio, we all know Skysports were going to milk that cow.

    Alfa Romeo have a pretty good car, at least good enough to fight for points. Bottas wasn't as fast as the top 4 teams, but he was clearly faster than everyone else. Zhou's race seemed to fall apart near the end. A smart move by the team to let him get the fastest lap and take away points from Alpine.

    Alpine do not look very good, but somehow Pierre Gasly got points. He got spanked in quali, was floating around the back to start the race, and next thing you know, 9th pace. Incredible. Ocon, if he had a mulligan to spare, he used it up and then some. Tough day at the office for him.

    Williams have improved a lot and it is wonderful to see. We are used to them being at or near the back year after year. Perhaps have a car that can fight for points regularly? Hopefully. No surprise Albon lead the team, but huge kudos to Logan Sargeant. Most figured he would be the worst rookie, but he wasn't that far off Albon all weekend.

    AlphaTauri's struggles appear to continue into 2023. The car does not look fast at all, and could be in the bottom 2 for the next few races. Yuki seems to have made another step forward. Nyck De Vries did not meet expectations.

    Haas back to the bottom. There were moments when the car looked good, but the team and/or drivers just could not make any forward progress. Why they waited so long to do a wing change on Hulkenburg? Get it over with early, and let him try to fight back. KMag didn't look comfortable in the car the whole weekend and never found a setup to his liking, and simply didn't adapt.

    McLaren had a disastrous opening round. There is some pace in the car, but a lot of gremlins to work out. Lando drove as expected and there isn't enough laps to comment on Piastri.

    Driver of the Day: Fernando Alonso. Had some epic passes, big saves, was fast, good tire management, and great some good radio messages to boot.
     
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  2. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I saw that post race interview with Lawrence Stroll and you're right.....not one mention of Alonso.....only his son.
     
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  3. SS454

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    Right? He has every reason to be a proud papa, and happy for Aston Martin. But he starts the interview with what HE has done to make the team good. We wont talk about how he only threw money at it and bought every good possible idea and somehow the team pissed it away. But he really wanted to take credit for the success. Then he goes on to put his son on a pedestal and fails to mention the guy that is actually on the podium.
     
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  4. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    This is not a surprise. Its public this is a father - son dream operation. Nothing else.
     
  5. Dimitar

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    Alonso is probably one of the two drivers that can actually develop a car, so the Aston will only get better. I wonder what FA real reaction was when he found out who hit him at the start?!:cool::)
     
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    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    He saw it in the post race room with Max and Checo.......he didn't say anything.
     
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  7. Dimitar

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    I saw that, but I think he already knew at this point.
     
  8. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    The only analysis point that matters after this race is this. The 2023 season is going to be a disaster for F1. There is only one car and one driver in the championship - RB with Max. Aero GOAT Newey has destroyed the opposition and Perez is too weak to challenge Max. Everybody else is chasing the minor places.

    Liberty should be desperately worried. This sort of dominance is not good for the marketability of F1. It’s a total turn off.

    Look out for some desperate rule changes designed to try to slow down RB….
     
  9. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Great summary as per usual SS454.

    This is the first time that Max started a car that appears to be truly dominant, assuming the Ferrari deg wasn't a one off...truly scary to think what he may just achieve this season.
     
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    Lights out and away we go
     

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  11. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I don't know about the "F1 being a disaster" part for 2023.

    Alonso is the talk right now along with ALOOOOT of people are wanting to watch the Alonso - Lewis battle on the track for 2023.....it is really amped up right now.
     
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  12. Bas

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    +1 I think the battle for 2nd 3rd and 4th is genuinely exciting.

    Not sure what people want really. The engines are all very equal since 2022, so the difference is made between the aero, chassis and driver. Chassis and aero is limited by budget, CFD and windtunnel hours, with the better team getting the fewest hours...Only thing you can do to stop RB winning? Order Newey to retire and ask Max to drive for Mclaren.
     
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  13. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    The Alonso Lewis battle is a made up sub plot to todays race. For those of us interested in F1 as true fans, this is interesting, but to the casual F1 fan it’s just not. But be under no illusions, RB has already won. Ferrari will bag second. Merc will come third. Aston simply can’t compete with the pace of in season development of the top 3, and sadly, as the season goes on, they will struggle to keep their current level of performance.

    Perhaps I’m wrong, and I’m being too negative. After all it’s only been one race. But I’ve watched this sport for over 40 years and rarely have I seen a team with such dominance from day 1. RB and Max will break records this year. I would put money on it.
     
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  14. schumacherf2006

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    Analysis:
    Red Bull: unbeatable (at the moment)
    Ferrari: new face same result..broken in so many ways
    AM: damn!!!
    Merc: lol
    Mclaren: Suicide prevention
    Williams: 2nd star of the show next to AM. Very impressive
    Alfa: meh
    Alpine: yikes
    Haas: bad form
    Alpha: meh
     
  15. Kimi2007

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    Here's what so sad about modern F1 for me.

    Whenever I sleep during the actual race and have to watch the archived replay, I tend to skip around, waiting for the moment that Leclerc and Ferrari are listed as "out" on the scoring ticker. I did it Baku, I did it in France, and I did it today, and Ferrari didn't fail to deliver in failing so hard.

    If Leclerc is smart, he'll run screaming from Ferrari before they ruin his career like they did Alonso and Vettel.
     
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  16. Bas

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    I'm actually going for AM to beat Merc this year (well, with Alonso. Genuinely no disrespect to Stroll right now, but Hamilton and Russell are the stronger drivers and I don't think AM can outdevelop Merc by *that* much). The team that AM has in place now, combined with their development time and their current pace, they really could beat Merc this year and look to make life difficult to Ferrari at certain tracks.

    It's my belief that Merc has focused so damn hard on that porpoising, they actually completely forgot that a car with porpoising, wasn't exactly slow, it was more a by-product of their speed rather than the cause of them not being as fast as they hoped. You heard George, Lewis, Toto talk about it all year long last year and even got the rules changed for it. It's almost as if they genuinely started to belief all their issues had porpoising as the blame. One look at Ferrari last year showed that a porpoising car would still be mindblowingly fast.

    Add in with Merc refusing to swallow their pride and sticking with their silly zero side pod concept, a theory Adrian Newey talked about YEARS ago in his book (having considered it for the FW14 or so...which had active ride height to even better manage everything...yet didn't implement it because he actually preferred using proper sidepods to manage the air for efficiency reasons!)...they could've gotten this knowledge by buying Newey's book for a not at all bank breaking 16 pounds on amazon.

    They lost a lot of people over the years, their team manager finally can't piggy back over the work done by Brawn/Schumacher/Costa anymore and now faces a real crisis: His star driver not having signed as of yet, beaten by their customer team, needing a new concept...
     
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  17. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    If needed, Merc could simply reverse engineer the AM for themselves. But it is surprising to me that Merc stayed with the zero pod concept that had failed so spectacularly last year. Poor team judgement.

    But, hats off to AM. They really have developed a mega car. And with Alonso, like him or loath him, they have a driver who can extract the maximum from their package. His race craft today was excellent.
     
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    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    For those that missed it....here it is. Not one mention about Alonso.

    Lawrence Stroll Bahrain GP Post-Race Interview | F1 2023

     
  19. Bas

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    Merc's biggest problem is that the whole layout of their ICE/Chassis etc revolves around the thin sidepods. Sure they could bolt on some RB/AM style sidepods but they wouldn't see as many benefits as they hope. A lot of what makes the RB/AM so good is what's under the skin...exactly what Merc doesn't have access to.

    Alonso's car placement in the race, expecially once the softs where off, was amazing. He has a lot of confidence in this car. They'll be upsetting Merc and Ferrari more times than they'd like...
     
  20. classic308

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    Formula 1 last year and this year summed up in one sentence: Five marques getting their asses kicked by a soda company. That was the story in 2022 and will be the same in 2023.

    in case you were wondering they are SF, AM, MB, AR and Renault, regardless of what they call themselves. Amazing.
     
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  21. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    The worst most insulting part of yesterday is that item. Beyond absurd.
     
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  22. Mosin

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    It doesnt take much to move into a design that has more space avalible to fit whats inside, if they was going smaller, it would be problematic, but expading the pods wont mean rearranging the insides to much, This current car was designed with changing concept in mind, they would have taken that into consideration to make the transition as easy as possible. They have been mentioning changing it since before testing even started.
     
  23. Bas

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    Bizarre indeed to not mention Alonso at all. He was the start of the race yesterday. Their first podium in 2 years, certainly getting the best result possible with the Red Bulls so far away.
     
  24. zygomatic

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    Bizarre, but not surprising. Unfortunately.
     
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