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  1. P2164

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    #51 P2164, Dec 1, 2011
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    You are correct on the belt! I have another idler that may be used if I notice flopping. One reason for not putting it in the works yet is the turbo for the back side will be mounted where the old AC compressor was, the headers which you see coming around the front will be cut and routed up to a mount which must be attached to the front plate to support the turbo. You have a good eye. Engine turns clockwise looking at it from this view. Hope this picture explains it a little better.
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  2. texasmr2

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    I second that and for me it is the most desireable Ferrari behind the F40 and 288GTO.
     
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    #55 Crowndog, Dec 1, 2011
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    I am curious why not a routing like pictured below to keep the belt away from the turbo. Maybe a toothed belt to prevent slipping?
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    #56 P2164, Dec 2, 2011
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    A toothed belt is the only way that would not slip. The crank pulley is from a 355 with the 60-2 tooth wheel on it so going with a toothed belt would be costly change over. My experience serpentine belts will slip unless they cover more than 90 degrees of the pulley. V groove belts seem to grip better than serpentine but your limited with the 308 selections of accessories that can be used. Serpentine opens up a big world of alternators, pumps and compressors.

    Look at this picture of what I did on this 308 motor with a blower. This is the same motor as I am using now.

    Check this old video out, the motor was still under tune but I had the blower set to only 2.5 psi boost. Tire spin was crazy in this car, I ask my wife to go with me and hold the computer and read data off to me while I was driving. After the first ride she got out of the car and said she would never get in it again.

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    #57 bert308, Dec 2, 2011
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    Wow, another crazy fabricater on ferrarichat! I love to read and learn from people like you! Please keep posting.
    Edit: I see your first 2 postings on ferrarichat were in my thread, I remembered the picture of your car.
     
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    Wow! is right. Just awsome. I will butt out and just observe. Way over the top. Gosh!
     
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    I see some custom exhaust manifolds in your future. Just from looking at the pic the inside bank turbo should be ok as it sits but may need recocking so the intake faces the drivers side, that will simplify converging the two charges, but the rear turbo could be turned 180 degree's so that way both downpipes could basically go directly into the muffler as that seems to be the straightest path for both. Then all you will need to tackle is your IC placement which imho will be the biggest hurdle but then again you could go for a trunk mounted liquid to air IC.

    I would get your IC setup layed out before I decided upon the exhaust manifold setup.
     
  11. tvision321

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    I have been following this thread with great interest; appreciate you posts;

    question on the turbo size and vane selection: Are these IHI 555's or another brand/model? size? cooled with just oil or oil and water? ceramic bearing or bushings?

    thanks
     
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    Jack, based on the complexities the twin turbos are presenting, would be make more sense to go to a single turbo? I realize the twin turbos, in theory, would be a preferred setup, at least for the street. However, in reality, does it present any noticeable gain in overall performance over a single turbo arrangement? Especially considering the latest turbo technology that is available. Coupled with the relative simplicity of plumbing a single verses the twin setup, is the twin really “better”?
     
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    Excellent point sir!!!! Everything would be so much more simple and cost alot less than a TT setup and offer more HP but.... I understand the goal or should I say the vision that the owner has so in that frame of thinking a TT would be something very impressive.
     
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    #64 P2164, Dec 9, 2011
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    Yes the exhaust is going to be a bear, its one thing to fabricate outside the car and another making everything fit. :)

    As for the intercooler, here is a picture of what was on the car, I hope to keep the same intercooler but will find out when the motor goes in.

    Single turbos are great but if you want boost at low rpm levels twin is the way to go, also remember the shorter the exhaust the quicker the heat transfer to the combustion side of the turbo and keeping that heat and velocity in the exhaust is what make them work. The turbo being nothing more than a little jet engine needs that heat to for them to operate effectively. As far as the AR ratio these turbos have a small AR (nozzle size) which is great if your wanting quick spool up but bad if you want high CFM on the output side of the turbo, also the efficiency (heat of the output CFM)of the turbo goes down dependent of the CFM needed at max rpm and boost. That being said I chose a small AR ratio and sized the turbos for a max CFM of of 14 psi. Yes the are IHI RH5 turbos, same found on many cars. They do not have ceramic bearings, they are just old fashion turbos with floating bearings and water cooled center sections. Where this picture was taken I got black flagged for passing to many cars in the straight one being a TR. Turbos are wonderful thing!

    I will get the specs of the turbos for you tomorrow, I'm out of pocket now and forgot what they are.
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    #65 P2164, Dec 10, 2011
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    Sorry I got carried way. Single turbos are fine, this car came with a single unit, it produced with ease 20 psi boost, but even with EFI it took time for it to spool up and until the exhaust got hot it was ridiculous. I wanted boost 2000 rpm or under and quick. Twin turbos and short exhaust provided that hit I was looking for. The cast iron manifolds would have been the BEST. I have 3 sets of turbos for the car, all of them with different ARs and compressor housing sizes that I have used over the years. When I water jet cut the turbo flange I made it to fit 2 different sizes of turbos, this will give me a simple trade over option.

    I have had a turbo cars, the Renault R5 turbo 2 (which I miss very much) a lotus S4, both I messed with the induction side of the motors.

    I also have a 84 VW Vanagon camper with a 280 HP JDM turbo subie in it.

    The Ferrari turbo spec numbers are IHI RHB5 VM4R
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    Jack, I went into the IHI catalog and I see that the VM4R has a A/R of 12. The catalog also lists several models for Ferraris (but do not list what model Ferraris), and each of those have an A/R of 20. I checked the 2 turbos on my shelf, and they are IHI RHB5 VC-20, again having a A/R of 20. What perfomance differences would you expect between the two A/R ratings?
     
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    Mine have a smaller AR and will spool quick, yours having a larger AR will produce more CFM and higher boost but you also have a 4 valve car that will flow more CFM more effectively so I would bet them to be a perfect match for those cast iron manifolds. Paul believe me when I say those manifolds are priceless. The turbos you have do not have a water cooled center section but if you let the car idle and cool down the exhaust temps thus pulling the temperature down of the center section of the turbo you will be fine.
     
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    The turbo kits came in yesterday they are cheap insurance, I don't think anything to be worn on the turbos I have but for $45 each the new bearings and seals will prevent a lot of fowl language down the road.

    I am in need of a picture of the cam sync trigger wheel, looking directly at the cam sync wheel as if it were flat. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
     
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    That IC might just work with the TT setup if you put on a new end-tank for the passenger side turbo but you will definitely need a turbine blanket or some kind of shielding for the drivers side turbo, that turbine would heat soak the hell out of that side of the IC.

    Very cool project from one boost junkie to another.
     
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    I had made blankets for them before and also had a piece of metal with insulation on it to shield the firewall and IC. Its (intercooler) been cut and welded many times it looks like a Frankenstein project from underneath. If you look closely there are fans that pull air through the IC blowing down to under the car, they were programed to kick on 150F.

    Thanks brother!
     
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    Yepper with such a tight engine bay those fans are a must imo.
     
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    The lift I assume and if so I'm jealous you lucky f$&%$^*&*(&*^%&%^$^% :D, too much???
     
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    Ha! Yes its the lift, I had a 4 post lift in my other shop, its great but I like this 2 post much better, its not an expensive one (made in USA) but it will serve the purpose for a hobby guy like me. I tried to find one made in the USA but they are twice the price and I can't justify that.
     
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    Too bad your 800 miles away because I need my tranny/diff fluids changed, liquor and stories as payment lol..?
     

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