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22 teams in F1 - no Aprils fool joke

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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    It is no joke, but true. Seriously. 22 teams signed up for the 2008 F1 season. Only 12 will be allowed to race so Mad Max is holding a meeting on April 10 with the team managers to discuss who can run and who can't.

    Stoddart signed up for Minardi and Paul Richards for Prodrive. So even if GPMA should happen, there will be enough cars to fill the grid. Which of course is exactly what Max wanted with his new rules, so the manufacturers have no choice but to participate.
     
  2. joker57676

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    Of the 22 though, how many do you really think could field a team thats worthy (performance wise) of being in F1. How many of them would be able to sustain a team for more than say a couple years. I really think that most teams that put in for a spot probably couldn't truly compete like the manufacturers can. The vast amounts of money they have keep the competition very high. I do wish to see more independant teams compete successfully, but as F1 is right now I don't see it happening until the costs are way down (which I don't think will happen any time soon).

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  3. tifosi12

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    Good points and that's probably how Max will resolve it in the meeting: "Show me the money!"
     
  4. LightGuy

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    Full grids will be good for the sport. If Mad Max's rules encourage this, then hats off.
    I personally enjoy watching and rooting for underdog teams. I like the change in dominant TEAMS. Who wants to see the Goliaths constantly kicking but.
     
  5. GrigioGuy

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    That 12 team limit is a bit ridiculous to me. Open it up, have 40 cars on the grid!
     
  6. tifosi12

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    Ditto that!

    At least 30 cars should be possible without much problems. OTOH seeing Ide dink around and ruining everybody's fast lap is no fun. Watching him in Melbourne last night brought back memories of Mass in Zolder in 82. The guy is an accident waiting to happen.

    Imagine Spa or Silverstone with 40 cars. They would have to install additional start lights for the guys in the back, they'd be curved away so far from the front. :)
     
  7. LightGuy

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    Isn't there a 95% ( or whatever # ) rule in F1 to keep the Ide's off of the track. The problem now is that there are not enough cars to choose from to keep the hopelessly lost off the track. All cars are encouraged now. Full grids will eliminate them.
    Monaco would be a rat futz however.
     
  8. tifosi12

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    I believe they abandoned the 107% rule a while ago. The Superlicense should prevent joksters like him from joining the grid.
     
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    Thanks for the response.

    I believe Ide actually gets paid.
     
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    As long as Ferrari is a Goliath I have no problem with that!!
     
  11. rush109

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    i agree, i like those numbers...
     
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    i dont think any more than 12 teams would work, i dont think any place has enought pit room for 22 teams. and it would sucjk if you in the back you'd start 4+ secdonds back and the first turn would be brutial.
     
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    They run at Indy. Pit lane handles 33 cars during the Indy 500, and 43 during the Brickyard 400. They could make it work if they really wanted to.
     
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    But who cares how many teams there are ?

    Drop the payment of travel expenses to ALL teams, and then, whoever has a driver that fits the 'experience' guidelines (whatever they are), and has a car that fits the rules, and shows up, can try to qualify. If they qualify, great, if not, they go home, it's their dollar. Isn't that how most racing is done ?

    Worst-case scenario is that all of the existing 'old guard' teams can have one car guaranteed to be on the grid, but everyone still has to (try to) qualify, guaranteed or not. If 22 teams means 44 cars, that MAY be a small problem, they might have to go back to qualifying the old-school way, but there should not be a problem getting 28-30 cars on the grid, I mean, geez, look at who the last 2 cars usually are on the grid today...
     
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    Interesting would be to hold a pre-season race or something that would pit the cars (of the 22 teams) in season spec against each other, with the 14 or 15 best teams compeating next year. Those who don't, don't race next year.

    It may help stir development for the lower teams.
     
  16. Whisky

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    That wouldn't work because nobody would sponsor anyone (outside of the chosen ones) unless they were in the series, guaranteed, and nobody outside the chosen ones could afford to develop and compete 'on spec' without a sponsor.
     
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    I would like to see more teams on the grid, but not at the expense of good talent. I think the sport can sustain 12 teams and probably not much more without a significant drop in talent. I mean look at Super Aguri, neither driver really has the talant to be in F1...especially Ide. Besides that, how many companies can you find to sponsor teams. Sure there will always be companies wanting to throw money at the big name teams, but I have a feeling the smaller teams who don't perform all that great would have a hard time finding money if there were say 20 teams (only chose that number because it was mentioned before).

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  18. Whisky

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    But no matter what 'sport' you are in, you are going to always have 'superstars' on one team, and 'not so superstars' on another, and the 'team' aspect usually wins out.

    You may have Ferrari with the two absolute best drivers in the business on the team, but they still have to qualify, race, not crash, not get taken out, not have a mechanical woe, not have a puncture, not have a bad pit stop, or anything else you can think of.

    This is what happens when a team has to count on a driver to bring money, because we all know there is one team in F1 where the drivers are not in the top 50 or top 100 in the world, let alone top 20. There are a ton of drivers out there capable of running consistent top 10's with a decent team, or being able to help bring a mediocre team to a better level, look at Toyota today vs. when they first started as an example, and also look at Jordan, terrible on inception, then were pretty damed good, then fell apart.

    Money rules, and it sux.
     
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    Prodrive makes the cut. Lets hope they get some decent talent for drivers. Having 24 cars on the grid is one thing but having 24 F1 worthy drivers is another.
     
  20. tifosi12

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    Cool.

    Does Ide have a brother?
     

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