22ple

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/detailing-showroom/429314-22ple-protective-coating-like-dipping-your-ferrari-candy-shell.html

 

Had it put on my 458 last fall
For the 2 months I used the car it was fine
When I take the car out of storage in a few weeks, I'll have a better idea

 

I love it. I used it on my S600 snow car, and I can say I'm quite pleased. The application is dead easy too. Dirt doesn't stick to the car anymore. Even the mag chloride rinses right off with a hose. It's mind-boggling good. Great shine, great depth, water beads right off, ...... No regrets from me. I plan on using it on my snow cars from now on. Also, I'm going to throw it on my black M6. Supposedly, it helps protect against swirl marks. As for the rest of my cars, I'll probably continue using Zymol, as it's still my favorite. Nowhere near as durable as the 22ple though. Zymol is very hard to apply correctly, and even more difficult to maintain. It does look good though.

Bad cell phone pictures are all I have. Best bet is to look on Esoteric's website. They have some great pictures.
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Thanks for your interest in 22PLE...it's a wildly popular product that provides tremendous gloss, ease of maintenance, and high durability.

Please let us know if you have any questions in particular about it!

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It's a good product but IMO does not live up to the hype. People say "it's a deeper color / gloss" but I think that is BS. I did mine right after a paint correction (search my threads). It did not look one bit better than the paint correction.

IMO, the stuff is way overpriced for the results.

Remember, it's hard for people to admit that something they spent a bunch of money on is not really worth it.

Please realize, I have a ton of respect for Todd and purchased all of my stuff from him, all other products were fantastic. IMO, 22PLE is all hype for an over priced product. Other competitive products are on the market for much less.

 

Any shops in the Seattle area use this product?

 

Yes, Metropolitan Detail is an Authorized Installation Center for 22PLE!

 

I'm not sure what went wrong during the application, but there must have because out of the thousands and thousands of bottles sold, and hundreds of cars we have installed it on, plus the feedback from all of the detailers who choose to use it, 22PLE has gotten nothing but glowing feedback and reviews. Even after polishing cars we do to the nth degree, they always look even better once 22PLE has been applied and cured. And for the cost factor, most coatings are in the same price range. If there's something considerably cheaper, it's not a true coating but a sealant.

 

Todd, nothing went wrong with the application. I'm providing honest feedback. With all due respect, you sell this product and sell the service of applying it, that's biased. My review is an honest review from a user. Just like my honest review of the other products you sell performing very well.

 

Todd,

Most use 22ple on cars already with great paint and body. What happens if you use this on not such great paint? Is the effect even better than on great paint?

 

22ple doesn't have any defect filling capabilities, so if you use it on bad paint...you would still have bad paint. To maximize its looks, performance, and durability 22ple needs to be applied on top of clean & corrected paint. If you need a quick fix for bad paint look to a defect filling glaze product like Auto Finesse Tripple or 1Z PolishWax.

 

Likewise, nobody wants to admit something could have gone wrong with their application. I wouldn't keep using it if it didn't work. One tiny bottle did my wife's entire MB GL450. Compared to the cost of the labor for the prep work, and the cost to me of having to wax my wife's car 10x as often to protect from the car washes she likes to drive through, the stuff saves me money. The GL, unlike the four others I've used it on, was brand spanking new when we applied it and it looked better than new when done, that wet nail polish effect. I've heard detailers compare it to other products and others may work as well. I really wouldn't know but of course they would. But if done right, the "hype" is true. The last car I had done came out of service, was parked next to a brand new SUV, 9yrs newer than my Cayenne, and my Cayenne was noticeably better to where the Penske service reps were asking what it was and who did the work.

 

See my thread, you will see I did a full paint correction. Applying 22PLE is no magic trick. Nothing went wrong. If you like the product, I respect that but my review is honest. If you search the net you will find others that feel the same. I also just received a PM from someone that agrees 100% but does not want to post.

 

Currently Dave I am using Griots best of show. Do you have a favorite wax, sealant etc. I like best of show, but every wax appears to have it's faults as does Best of show. It's albatross is you think it looks great then when you look at it the next day or so, it looks like you skipped multi areas. I was going to try this 22PLE, but after reading your comments I guess not as it sounds no better than anything else out there.

docf

 

Dave, to you, your results are clear as day. To me, mine are the same. If there are similar products at a lower price, all ears. I consider $40(if memory serves) to cover my wife's entire GL pretty affordable, but if it can be done for $20, why not. But you can't tell me that you, and others, are in agreement that I'm kidding myself I can see the results. As I said, Penske service advisors actually gathered to stare at the last job I had done by D.J. in a side by side comparison with a brand new vehicle. Not smoke and mirrors. If you get better results cheaper with another product, respect your opinion as well. Results seem to vary and the variables are what they are.

 

I have the 22PLE on my 2012 California and my 2012 FF. I had my 2010 Cali done too. The FF now has 32,000+ miles, driven EVERY day this winter and last winter. See the FF thread to see it covered with ice and snow. I take the car home, let it melt and rinse it with deionized water. The water simply beads up like it was just washed and waxed. The Cali is the exact same way. The paint was worked by Todd because it was crap when new. Both cars look like a million. Road grime does slowly build so once a week I do wash it, then rinse with deionized water. Dirt, grime, and salt residue comes off with very little work, no rubbing at all.

I have not had to wax either car in over 2 years for the Cali, 1.5 years for the FF. The shine is perfect ... I don't now about any silly "depth" it just looks perfect.

What else can you ask for?

Rick

 

I bought my 458 new and immediately had the paint corrected (even though I thought the paint was in very good condition) and 22PLE installed by an "authorized" 22PLE detailer. A year later I had another coat applied by the detailer. I really can't say that I noticed the 22PLE shines any better after either of the two applications than a clean car with fresh wax. However, I would use 22PLE because it lasts a long time, so I don't have to spend time applying wax frequently.

 

The durability is just crazy.

 

I honestly don't have much experience with other products - my experience was from older products (old technology)

I cannot attest to 22PLE's longevity for I applied it to my Ferrari, not a DD. IF the longevity is good, than perhaps it could be worth the cost, but to me, not for a seasonal car.

I paid $120 for the 50ml bottle and used the entire bottle on my 355 GTS. Todd states I should have done the car with 1/3 IIRC. However, with the applicator pads he sells, I cannot believe that for a fair amount is needed just to soak the pad. A thin pad would help not waste the material. Regardless, $120 for 50ml is really expensive.

I was hopeful that this "Glass Coat" would help reduce swirl marks and it does not, not one bit (I have a black car). When I have time, I'm going to do a rough calculation to see how much thickness the bottle could add.

 

we used one 30ml bottle to coat my wife's entire GL450 and bought it on sale to begin wth. Dark metallic brown, coating a year old, dozens of washes with no swirls.Starting to get a little wear on the 612 coating, but not much and only 20ml used. 4k miles and many washes later.

 

I'll suggest it's the paint that's not swirling and noting to do with 22PLE.

As i said, I'd do a quick calculation, this stuff is very thin. Also, I'm not the only one that has stated it does nothing to prtect against swirls.

 

OK, from an extremely quick calculation, my 355 would be an area of 7,000 inches square. This was done by taking the overall dimensions and reducing by 50% to allow for windows etc. It's crude at best.

That said, a 50ml bottle would add a coat of approx. .0004", 30ml would be approx. .00025"

A human hair is .003" So, for 50ml divide that by 7 and for 30ml divide that by 12.

That's not going to offer scratch / swirl protection..