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246 Bumper: Why?

Discussion in '206/246' started by opus10583, Dec 16, 2010.

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  1. opus10583

    opus10583 Formula 3

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    #1 opus10583, Dec 16, 2010
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    This picture is from a Gooding auction listing on Anamera, http://www.anamera.com/en/detail/car/109975/index.html, and raises a couple of questions:

    How do Dinos, and Daytona's for that matter, get and why do they so often have at least one cock-eyed bumper?

    Is there a simple fix or is this indicative of deeper injury?

    Other issues aside, in what Universe is attaching a picture of a car in this state to an ad advertising its sale acceptable?
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  2. 4CamGT

    4CamGT F1 Rookie

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    Simple to fix. Bumpers are only held on by bolts on each end. Just need to loosen them and pull up. Bumpers aren't bent. I've seen the car. Its a good example. Apparentley matching numbers and drives well(haven't driven it myself).

    Freeman
     
  3. 2GT

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    Most Euro Dinos and US Dinos with one-strut bumper attachment have crooked bumpers. The bumpers are quite flimsily attached, and it is very difficult to get them aligned so that they are perfectly horizontal. Then, too, many Dinos have had body damage, especially in front, over the years, and repairs are not always what they could be. The car in question could probably benefit from a minor adjustment, but the fact is that most Dinos have less than "straight" bumpers after almost forty years of use. Fred
     
  4. UroTrash

    UroTrash Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Huh? In "this state"? A slightly crooked bumper? Seriously?

    Looks like a fine car to me.

    Of course, I'd finish the paint job (black around the bottom parts).
     
  5. Nuvolari

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    All of the information given regarding bumper alignment is accurate. That said note the fit of the orange turning indicator on the left and right, the fit is off on the drooping side which may be the result of a small repair. Again this is totally common on these cars but just be aware of it if you choose to inspect this car for purchase.
     
  6. opus10583

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    Such a glaring discrepancy does not bode well for 'careful attention to that which might not be so readily apparent'.

    And then, indeed, with regard to the shadow paint, did anyone involved ever even see a proper Dino?
     
  7. opus10583

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    Did see the indicator, thought damage, also thought "oem"...
     
  8. opus10583

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    If so easy to correct, why is this so often uncorrected?
     
  9. 2GT

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    #9 2GT, Dec 17, 2010
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    In addition to the ill-fitting turn signal lens, the area surrounding the right corner of the grille near the intersection of the bumper end looks a bit off, and the front pan slots look a bit uneven. Again, I've seen more Dinos over the years with either front damage or indifferently-repaired damage than "perfect" Dinos. These cars have virtually no front-end bodywork protection, and many of them have led difficult "lives" in urban surroundings marked by high traffic and park-by-crunch drivers. A friend once parked his newly-acquired three-year-old Dino in front of a popular downtown restaurant, only to have someone back into it, with fortunately minor damage. I once witnessed a driver in Nice, France parallel-park a new-looking GTS and bang into a moveable parking sign on a four-foot tall round-section pole, only to leare the car with a large dent in the trailing edge of the decklid, with the sign tipped backward. He didn't even look at the damage before leaving the car, with targa top removed and windows rolled down. I'm amazed that so many Dinos have survived at all! Fred
     
  10. 4CamGT

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    #10 4CamGT, Dec 17, 2010
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    Just like in real estate, this Dino checks all 3 boxes for me. 1)"L-Series"(location), 2)Matching Numbers(location), 3)Great Substance(location). We're going to look back in a couple years and say I can't believe I could have gotten that Dino for that! Compare the values of Dinos to Porsche 911S's, 356 Speedsters and Carrera RS's. Dinos are undervalued and are bargains for what they represent! This Dino won't get you a Platinium but will get you into the club! From when I saw the car in person it didn't have perfect paint and had some cosmetic needs. It apparently drives great. It belonged to a passionate Dino enthusiast. I think it may be an opportunity for a new enthusiast to buy a rare L-Series right. Only my opinion.

    Freeman

    P.S. The signal lense only needs the lense adjusted to the surface with the 2 screws and playing with the gasket. The surrounding metal is in the right place.
     
  11. UroTrash

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    I didn't see a price in the ad? Do you know the asking price?
     
  12. 4CamGT

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    #12 4CamGT, Dec 17, 2010
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    All I know is what it could have been had for before it was commited to the auction. Don't know what the auction estimate is or whether it has a reserve. The owner is willing to roll the dice. Maybe it will be a bargain or maybe It will be a new market value? Who knows? I can't believe how quickly Porsche 911S's, 356 Speedsters and Carrera RS's have gone up. My point is I think Dinos, at least today, are bargains.

    Freeman
     
  13. Jack-the-lad

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    I think this is the car TS advertised in FML for a while for, I think, $165K. I don't know if he owns it or had it on consignment. The auction estimate is $150K-$180K, no reserve.

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  14. synchro

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    #14 synchro, Dec 17, 2010
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    I thought the bumpers were supposed to have a little horizontal curve like the one on the left. Doesn't the one on the right look too perfect, too horizontal to anyone else?

    Disclaimer: My only knowledge is from years of viewing and I'm not claiming its right, just that the left one is consistent with those I've seen since I've been looking in the 1980's.
    Good discussion welcome!


    PS - Here's one at Sheehan's with the "bumper droop" as I've seen them
    http://www.ferraris-online.com/pages/imgview.php?reqcardir=FE-246GT-05522&imgnum=P002


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  15. 4CamGT

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    Front and Rear bumpers should be parallel to the body crease feature line.

    Freeman
     
  16. shaughnessy

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    I own the car and still at my shop for inspection

    92 pts at cavallino last year

    bumper alignment is a non issue

    excellent compression excellent gear box synchros

    An excellent "L" series coupe

    949 378 8405 call with questions
     

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