Presently, there is a dino toolkit that is being auction on ebay. Here is the auction:...
Presently, there is a dino toolkit that is being auction on ebay. Here is the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4524725513&category=42606 I was bidding of the kit as it seem to be cheap at the time, actually, it still is an ok price. However, there is something interesting about this tool kit, the toolkit is a mirror image of a real dino toolkit. i have nevr seen this before. i can't take credit for noticing as i was emailed by a very respected dino enthusiest when he saw my bid. when asking the seller about the item, he said it was from an old ferrari clooectors collection and the tool kit is as it is shown (not a photo that was accidently reversed). The tools appear correct, but you can't see in the picture if they are. The person who contacted me said that he knew of "replicas" but wasn't sure about this toolkit. i do not want to make any allegations about the seller, the auction, or the toolkit. i stopped bidding. if the tools are real if definitely has value as many toolkits are missing tools and i know of several people looking for that last tool to complete their toolkits. however, being a dino enthusiest, i didn't want anyone here on f-chat being surprised by a potential (or maybenot)problem. i just thought i'd give any potential snipers a head's up. w. shawn speer
That's a tiny little tool kit for $2K. It's only half the 308 roll, available new at FerrariUk for $350! Amazing...thanks for the post!
half the tool roll, far more poorly made tools, but far more rare than the 308. good old supply and demand at work.
I was telling a newb the other day.... "You have to sharpen the screwdrivers on the concrete, every time you use them!" I'm not sure he believed me...... "Forged in India" the wrenches say.......... I suppose if you need that LAST point, out of 100.
Well, mine's original for a 72, and here's what it looks like. Can't tell for sure, but what's with the red liner. I know the tool kits are different year to year. MAybe that's what the '74 kit looked like. as compared to mine. Here's the ebay pic too. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I think Mr. Speer's point is it's 'opposite hand", or Mirror Image, from the standard pouch configuration, although it's really hard to say 'never' on the early cars... Screwdrivers match my 1977 308GTB, as do the carb tool and plug wrench. Open ends are most likely good too. Is there enough money in these now we are seeing cheap tool forgeries??????? Egads.
i have two dino 246 toolkits, one that is an early toolkit and one that is correct for my 1974. the early toolkit has a brown vinyl pouch that is lined with brown cloth. the later toolkit has a darker brown vinyl with a red cloth lining. based on first glances, this toolkit would be for a mid 1973 to 1974 car. the tools that are in both of my toolkits are vitrually the same. maybe tom shaunessy will chime in as i know he knows more about ferrari tools than anyone i know of.
Hey Dave, what's with that wood handled interloper? I always wanted a 'before' and 'after' of my trunk........
dave, your toolkit is what my "early"toolkit looks like. however, the wooden handled screw driver is not correct. the red fabric lining is for the mid 73-74 cars. the jack bag has the same materials as the toolkit, which ever toolkit pouch you have, the jackbag should match (at least in theory). the one thing i see missing from the picture of the trunk is the emergency triangle. when you hear of the dino toolkits selling for big money, they generally include the jack, wheel chock, toolkit(with all tools), and the emergency triangle. w.shawn speer
i forgot to mention that there should be a lug wrench in the jack bag. the leather manual cover in the trunk photo is a later ninties ferrari manual cover and not original dino.
I haven't spent much time fixing the toolkit. I was pretty sure the wooden handle was a prying driver. The shaft is a wee bit bent. I'll fish it out of the tools when I get the car back from Algar, and put the stuff in its proper order. But, none of you guys has seen this reverse layout, right? (edit) yep, have the lug wrench, pouch is a cheapo I bought for $50 to hold my stuff until I find a good original pouch that costs less that the 1st year of college for my kids that I have saved up. Still digging for a correct reflector. Maybe I'll just paint the replacment on e I got that lovely shade of green. (end edit) DM
here is a link to the dino toolkit auction that ended about two weeks ago: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4522112313&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT you can once again see the differneces in the tollkits being mirrored. this is an early toolkit similar to the one shown in the trunk photo.
Contacted a guy who is pretty good with this stuff, his reply.. "dave, very late tool kits had a red liner. I think 74 only. Very early kits opened left to right but still had the tan lining. I was offered one of these last year by an unscrupulous dealer who wanted me to believe it was ok for my '72 spider. Rule is -alaways research as money turns heads. Other differences are the flat head and round head screwdrivers and also some tool kits has a script on a mid screwdriver "
i received back a response to my question asking for more detailed pics of the tools as they look to be authentic. here is the response: "pretty funny how you have referred to replica response made by me on Ferrari Chat Never saw a replica response anywhere in our correspondense These are not replicas parts came from Ed Domakakus a plastic surgeon in Newport Beach figure out that he owned CAlf Syder, 225S and PF 1 plus 300Sl and many other cars and there is substance to the statements made in the auction. Where is your substance????? Good luck and do not put words in my mouth in the future " clearly the seller is a f-chat lurker. it is funny how he presumes that the "Expert" i referred to was him. it wasn't. i am not saying, nor have i said that these tools are not real. i simply do not know. i do know of plenty of deviations from the norm when it comes to ferrari as nothing with ferrari is absolute. my whole point to the posting is making sure the buyer knows what he is buying if it can be determined. this, in fact, could be the ultra-rare, reversed toolkit that only existed in a couple of cars. i have been collecting this junk for almost a decade, the people that i have spoken with that have collected this stuff even longer all had the same response, "i have never heard of that". that doesn't mean it isn't real. it simply means it is a deviation from the norm if it is real. as for the seller, i don't think he is intending on misleading anyone. if he was, he would have answered my original questions with bogus info to make me happy and bid the toolkit up. he didn't. now he is pissed at me and didn't respond to my asking for pictures. i guess i understand his point.
Come out, come out, wherever you are. You know, it wouldn't hurt if this guy would simply come on here and talk about what he's trying to sell, instead of getting all pissy with you. What harm would there have been in his simply de-lurking long enough to give us more details. After all, we're probably the best possible source of buyers that he's gonna find. DM
Sorry, that was my INNOCENT comment asking if there was a Chinese shop manned by 12 year olds being whipped to fabricate Ferrari Replica toolkits! I won't say anything else, all my cars came with full tools and books. I can see where, if you had ten or twelve Ferraris, it would get confusing! Good luck ya'll, I'll look for them spread out on the ground at the next FCA show! I hope somebody, somewhere, is building a giant reference book dedicated to these issues!
Tex What do you do about this? Pedro comes into the pits and says: "It's overheating!" The mechanic slams a screwdriver from the tool kit through the water temp gauge NICKING THE BLADE and saying:"NOW IT'S NOT GET BACK OUT THERE YOU PUSSSSSSY" Should the blade be restored?
I'll say again, I sharpen them carefully on the nearest concrete surface!!! The driveway is the coarse stone, followed by the finer grit of the sidewalk. Then add the necessary items such as hammer, hacksaw, tie wire and duct tape. Enzo rarely put these in, prefering to buy them fresh, at the local markets..... I'm just amazed at these $$$$. You get get a nice Craftsmen roll around box set for that, or Facom! But I can hear the FCA Judge now.........
now the plot thickens. i received photos of the tools from the dino toolkit seller. from the photo's that were sent, the tools look to be good. the only point that i am uncertain of is the writing on the wrenches. his toolkit has both writing ( "sircodin") and no writing (unmarked) on the wrenches. i haven't looked at mine in awhile and do not know which is correct or if both are correct. i will look at my toolkits when i arrive home. then i received this email, unsollicted from an ebay'er: "I see you are also bidding on "Ferrari Dino 246GT/GTS tool kit Item number: 4524725513". I was contacted by Robert BXXX the seller from auction 4522112313 and told this auction price is being artificially raised by shill bidding. He also offered me a lower price on the same kit as he sold in Ebay auction 4522112313." i XXX the last name mentioned in the email. i have no idea who this ebay'er is (yes i have their name). they did not bid on this toolkit auction or the one that ended about two weeks ago. i checked their feedback which is 56 items, 96% positive, and only four recent transactions completed. of the four, only one was car related (a maserati qp spare tire from 1982), the others were for uncut sets of $2 bills. i don't know if this was generated from the fact that i had bid on the tool set or from the f-chat posting. whoever this person is that emailed me, needs to step up and be vocal to have any credibility. at this point, it looks like the sellers tools are good and the reversed pouch is still up in the air. hell, for all i know now, the mystery emailer could be a buyer trying to deter the bidders from sniping the auction. maybe i am mistaken and this IS the ultra rare, not in existence until proven to be so dino tool pouch. hell, it seems napolis went through this process before. you never know how things will turn out.
Talked to my mechanic today about the tools. He mentioned that late issue cars tended to get hodgepodged together tools as they would use what they had as the model wound down into the next model. Does anyone know what the tools looked like in the early 308GT4? That might lend a clue. I'll google it later today. He has seen red liner tool sets in Dinos, but again, was not sure about the reversed order tool roll. He did mention that he's seen at least 4 different types of tool rolls in Dinos over the years. DM
the red lined toolkit is definitely a toolkit that was supplied to the last of the dino's. dave is absolutely right about items being used as "original 246" items ran out. we all know we even see that in the steering wheels for th 246. my early 1974 gts has holes in the steering wheels. many 1974 246's do not. obviously, ferrari wasn't going to order a new shipment on a model that was going out of production. as i said in an earlier post, nothing with ferrari is absolute. i have to admit that i am not that familar with a 308gt4 toolkit. i have always assumed (and we knows what happens when we assume) that the gt4 toolkit was like the early 308 gtb toolkits. can anyone post pics of a 308gt4 toolkit?
8 wrenches, 4 screwdrivers, and a pair of pliers, along with some other odds and ends, at least according to Ferrari UK, so It's not a 308GT4 Dino toolkit. Must just be some late model bastardized thing that Ferrari tossed in the trunk of a '74. Has anyone asked the seller if he knows what year car it came out of?
here is what was forwarded to me regarding the wrenches: "Hi Shawn, The SIRCODIN raised letters was on the 13/17 wrench of some 1972 tool kits. This is what I had noticed from looking at alot of kits. No other wrench had writing." in the two toolkits i have, one early, one late, neither has the sircodin name. i have tried to attatch the photos supplied from the toolkit seller, but they are in a format that doesn't allow me to save them and transfer them. based on what i can see, this is a true "tool" set, although the pouch is the questionable item. is it possible that ferrari had a couple of last minute tool pouches commissioned to finish off the 246 series? i know the answer is "yes, it is possible". but did it happen?
