246 Dino trim screws

The doors have none. There are metal clips on the back that go into plastic recepter(or I'm sure it has a correct name)
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um....., jon, I think you might be wrong on this one...

I might be crazy and might retract this shortly, but the door panels have small screws that screw the door panel into the door.

 

The doors on 2840 have screws and no place where plastic fittings could ever have been.

But it is quite possible that later in production the more "modern" technique was used.

 

# 5020 also has the door panels screwed to the door. Appear to be ordinary sheet metal screws with cup washers. Screw dimensions: Outside thread diameter of 3 mm, length 14 mm top to bottom. Six screws and cup washers per panel. I believe this to be the original configuration for this car.
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My 73 and 74 had no screws on the door panels. Both were original and not recovered. I will post a photo of the clips when I get back to my shop. Earlier cars could of very well had screws. Can only vouch for my 2.

 

The screw Lars posted looks perfect for 206 GT and early L-serie to me. Late L-serie until E-serie have the same screw but black anodized.

206 GT until M-serie you have 4 screws. One in each top corner, one in top middle (where the door panel does a little step) and one at the door lock. You have 3 braces in the lower part of the door panel to fix it with the door and a few clips.
I think E-serie must be the same, but not 100% sure about that. Maybe E-serie has a few additional screws in the lower part of the door panel.
Does anybody who ownes a E-serie Dino has still the original door panels and screws?
(with most cars these things have been replaced)

Regards Matthias

 

Jon - Of course, I can also only vouch for my car. It is a Dec. -72 production. It would make sense for Ferrari to switch to push-in fasteners at some point during production.

Matthias - I strongly believe that the door panels and screws are original, or identical to the original ones. The reason is this: My car has never been restored and has never had any major body work done to it. It was repainted in 1989, and it did receive a minor freshening up of the interior (leather dyed, etc.) at that time. But it was done at a Ferrari dealership, and with the specific intent of making the car a concours winner. Everything was done with great attention to detail. It would make absolutely no sense to change the number, location or plating of the screws holding the panels.

Regards
Lars

 

From recollection, Lar's photo looks correct.

I'm surprised your panels don't have re-drilled holes, my new door panels did when I replaced mine 4-5 years ago.

DM

 

Hello Lars,
that could be, because your door panel isn`t black. What colour have screws in your Dino who hold panels covered with black vinyl?
Regards Matthias

 

Hello Matthias,
Exactly. The screws in the black panels are indeed black. I had to look at them closely because the finish is a bit faded by now, but yes, they are definitely black.
Regards,
Lars

 

#4866, a 1972 U.S. model GT that has not been restored, has chrome slotted screws in cup washers. But no perforations on the panel for the speakers.
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thanks Andy, regards Matthias

 

Andy / Matthias

I can confirm that my car has original chrome screws and cups fitted to the side panels too.

 

OK, so when it comes to the screws, there seems to be agreement that they are chrome plated slotted head screws with cup washers (as in my photos and description) when the door panels are beige, and black if the door panels are black. Also, in a beige interior, the few screws which are attached to black trim pieces on the door posts and the rear wall should be black.
That all seems very logical, but it would be nice if somebody could confirm that there should be two extra screws on an E-series Dino as shown on my photos: One next to the door lock and one at the bottom edge, below the door pocket. They could have been added on my car. I just found out that my panels were redone in -93, just before I bought the car.

And guess what: I think omgjon is right as well! There ARE five pointed clips on the back of the panel and nylon receptacles in the door frames! In addition, there are two clips at the bottom of the panel, which you are supposed to slide over the edge of the door metal first, then push in the five pins/push-in fasteners and finally install the panel screws.
Imagine that, both push-in clips and screws - belts and suspenders! Is it only my car, or is that the standard configuration? I leave that to the rest of you to confirm or deny. I think I have done my part. I am going to put the door panel back on now.

By the way, Charlesincharge, did we answer the question or are you totally confused by now?
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Maybe in 73 they changed to no screws.
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I believe My 246 has a screw in that place too, Lars. I will check my doors when I get home and post a picture of the entire door trim panel (I think the English say "door card" or something like that - TonyL will confirm) for posterity. By the way, Lars, I understand, if one were English, one would say "belts and braces." They say if you cut an Englishman's suspenders, his socks will fall! TonyL and our other English friends should be able to confirm this too. Very confusing for someone in Manila.

Andy

 

Jon - Those are exactly the same fasteners and nylon sleeves as in my panels. Thanks for the pictures. They tell me that my panels probably are the original ones and that they were just recovered in -93.
And yes, most likely they decided to eliminate the screws in 1973.
Thanks,
Lars

 

I appreciate it, Andy. Thanks for enlightening me about the Queens English as well. I did not know about that meaning of suspenders. (Are they still using those contraptions in Merry Old England?) Having spent half of my life here in the US I tend to speak and write American English. I even say aluminum, much to the amusement of my european friends.

Cheers,
Lars

 

Well I can vouch for Tony L as i know him well enough (i hope) to say that he doesnt wear suspenders (at least during the day when i have been with him) and those English...men? that do are not the type (shall we say) that are in to cars.
Lots of lovely English women wear suspenders and long may that fabulous tradition continue.
Moving on, I am convinced that the cars left the factory with NO screws and cups on the door cards but as the original fixings were so flimsy over the years the cards parted company from the doors and the easiest fix was this method. I have fitted new cards to my 74 doors and have managed (with a lot of effort) to get the clips to hold the panels without screws and cups and in my huble opinion find this a much cleaner look and furthe more i wouldnt have the heart to drill throught the leather trim!
G P

 

I think I will have to move to England...

 

Where can I buy these screws ?

Is there a shop you can recommend?

 

http://www.newcoproducts.com/Ferrari/custom-screw-assortments.htm

they put together a couple kits that are really good.

NOT CHEAP, but the right stuff.

If you're more adventurous, you can put your own kit together here... http://www.metricmcc.com/

DM

 

Just to clarify:On the metricmcc.com site (thanks, DM!), the item would be Slotted Oval Head Tapping Screw, #7973 C, in size 2.9 x 13 mm. I measured it again, and is in fact 2.9 mm.
Lars