Thankyou Tony. I recognised that but saw there could be ambiguity. Your clarification is appreciated.
Hey guys, can you please stop constantly hawking & showcasing your books and tool kit inventories here, in Vintage or anywhere else other than “Classifieds” ?!?
some items are placed for information purposes which i greatly appreciate. the line is thin but i enjoy and learn from the postings. for example, i would love to see old tool kits from a 50’s elena or 50’s barchetta. and learn what each item is used for. just my opinion.
Well, most of the recent posts, especially those by known "traders" featuring pictures, appear quite clearly having been made for marketing purposes. Besides, if learning about early tool kits is the objective, I’m pretty sure you know there’s a specific and lengthy thread for all that in Vintage. I've often wondered if all who continue to buying/selling original books with direct references to a specific VIN* realize they’re potentially trading stolen goods. They might’ve not been one who actually stole the items, but … *I always been puzzled why the IAC/PFA is not more strict about these issues in their guidelines. IMO, even correct reproduction books should carry more weight in judging than (potentially stolen) originals with non-matching VIN details to a car being judged, but then again, not my rules.
the reference to learning about early tool kits was for illustration purposes only. im aware of the vintage section. suggesting that books are stolen is overreach. books and tools get separated for various innocent reasons. for example, owner passes away and estate sells car only to discover them in a garage attic yrs later. sometimes their removed at a dealership or repair shop and never get reunited. similar to when a repair shop removes parts(speedometer, water pump, radiator etc) and never returns them to the owner. years later these parts become unobtanium and viola, the mechanic sells it on to a new needy customer for $$$.
Or maybe the seller chose not to include the books or tools with the car that they sold, and it was sold without them.
exactly. buyer negotiated price down because he didnt care about books and tools years ago when no one cared.
I don’t think “stolen goods” suggestion is any more a stretch than others offered. While this potential “crime” may have not included armed and masked robbers, it could’ve just as easily stemmed from some previous owner, secondary market broker, dealer, etc knowingly/willingly not informing a buyer of books or tools existence, merely because of knowledge of additional gains to be had if sold separately. Of course, now years/decades later, it’s easier to justify possession by claiming ignorance coupled with unverifiable “story” of innocent sounding happenstance, but that’s how countless of antiquities and historical artifacts have also been bought/sold for centuries and many collections & private/public museums are filled with such. And just because they paid, perhaps even large amounts, for them, doesn’t make it ethically right. And yet, unlike used radiators, water pumps, spark plug wires or distributor caps which aren’t VIN specific, some OEM literature, owners manuals or warranty cards, etc. often are and IMO, anyone, including IAC/PFA, claiming to be concerned about authenticity and history, should consider and encourage efforts to help re-unite any such wayward items with the car they belong to and not necessarily just for financial gains. As a mechanic/restorer, I don’t discard any old/used/replaced components or parts, including even used/worn belts, filters, gaskets, hoses or rusted out body panels or chassis sections until the job or project is finished and the client has had a chance to see all and decide whether he/she wishes to keep any.
Hard to determine the authenticity of the tools from the video but the jack, jack bag and bulb holder are all incorrect. Manual set is not complete.
Another possibility - happened at least once that I'm aware of. Books, tools, maintenance and restoration records from one auctioned car shipped with another entirely different car. Auction house (well known) couldn't care less.
Very surprising response from old timer as him. Look closely at the wrenches, not original also like so much that he said
Not something that makes me happy. On our last move from Co. to Fl. 2010, wife was cleaning our garage & she was tired of carting around many of my old car parts . Well she confessed that she threw this old brown roll, complete with tools, yellow jack etc(1972 GT Dino) away as she was tired of carting around old car parts. The Dino was long gone, she had no knowledge of value etc. I kid you not. I will say she did not throw away all my old 356 parts, Viper parts etc.
