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246GT and GTS Pricing History

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  1. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    #1 dm_n_stuff, Jan 31, 2005
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    I've been working on a project for Fchat. NNO has kindly supplied me with some data for a piece of the project. This chart is based on average asking price at year end from Ferrari Market Letter.

    Just thought I share the chart with all of you interested FChatters.

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  2. raywong

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    why is there a peak in the middle? explainations?
     
  3. dm_n_stuff

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    Ray.

    The market went nuts in the early 90's for almost any Fcar that could start, and many that couldn't.

    I can't explain why, except maybe the go-go economy here produced lots of new buyers with tons of available cash.

    I'm just glad I didn't buy my car then.

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  4. Koby

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    It was 2 big factors: Enzo's death in 1988, making older F-cars more valuable. Then the stock market crash in 1989, making tangable investments more valuable. Look out for that market correction though.
     
  5. Texas Forever

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    What is interesting is the spread between the GT and the GTS. Because I prefer a roof over my head, I like coupes anyway. With a $20k premium, the couple looks interesting. I wonder if the recent divergence will continue, i.e., GTS cross the $100k mark and the coupes stay below $75K.

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  6. dm_n_stuff

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    Dale.

    Some are already crossing that threshold at $100K for very, VERY nice GTS examples.

    Some GT's are pushing $80K. But, nice, workable ones are still under $70K.

    The price disparity has always been there. Don't see any reason for it to change, although I'm told that the European market has less of a price differential.

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  7. Koby

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    Another vote for the GT cars, I find the uninterrupted lines much prettier. I just wish I could vote with my wallet.... :(
     
  8. 1975gt4don

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    what is especially interesting about the 246 market in general, is that the number of garage queens is next to zero. Most 246's have at least 50K on the odo's. Higher mileage doesn't seem to affect the prices much IMO.
     
  9. dm_n_stuff

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    I found a couple along the way with low mileage, but not many. I think the fact that these were entry level Ferraris put them in the almost daily driver category for a lot of first owners. They would get 20-30K on them in 3 or 4 years, everything would break, and then the use would slow down as the passed from owner to owner. (1st owners bailing when fixing prices were discovered.)

    The late 80's shoots up the prices, lots of them get fixed, and are back on the road now.

    Mine has 50+k miles on it, and certainly that doesn't affect the pricing nearly as much as its overall physical and mechanical condition. It's well maintained, so it's worth more.

    The low mileage cars that I saw had asking price premiums on them for mileage, but they weren't selling at those numbers.

    Dinos kind of break with the Ferrari pattern. They're an late 60's early 70's model, beautiful, (some say the most beautiful Ferrari built) but they were mass produced (at least for Ferraris) and so the prices have not skyrocketed like other models of that era because there are so darn many of them out there.

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  10. 1975gt4don

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    In comparing the original price of the 246 vs what they are now is nothing to sneeze at by any stretch of the imagination. Not very shabby at all. I agree, one of the pretiest Ferraris ever made. Incredible engine sound when revving. I have only driven one and that was back in 1981---a black 246GTS formerly owned by the Righteous Brothers. Unforgetabble experience.


     
  11. mal

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    GTS for me, the experience is not the same with a roof on. In europe the price difference is similar though, GTS is that much more.
     
  12. FarmerDave

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    Awesome idea doing the graph like that. I would be curious to see a similar graph for more models. I'm sure it takes alot of work to compile the data.
     
  13. dm_n_stuff

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    Fortunately for me, Carbon did the grunt work, all I had to do was compile the data into a spread sheet.

    Thanks again Carbon!!

    Dave
     
  14. Birdman

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    What would be really interesting is to see the graph in constant 2005 dollar value to adjust for inflation. It's grunt work for sure to put it in that format though.

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  15. dm_n_stuff

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    I actually did that homework, but only to compare current GT prices to the original sticker.

    Turns out with inflation to be about equal to the original purchase price, in current dollars.

    If I get a minute or two, I'll plug inflation into the chart for you all.

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  16. tx246

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    i wish there was some way to track the prices of books and tools. these items are generally not reflected in the cars price but cost a pretty penny if you don't have them and want them. very few sellers adjust for these items as they see the value in the car and not what comes with it. here of late, i have been shocked at what these items sell for if you can find them.
     
  17. dm_n_stuff

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    #17 dm_n_stuff, Feb 4, 2005
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    OK, here's the chart, the bottom two rows take the starting price, and inflate it each year using the average CPI for each year.

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  18. tzucc

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    DM, this data is interesting. If one looks for 246GT(S) for sale on the web, you see very few. In fact the ad that comes up often is the one for the car I bought from Atlanta 2 years ago! One was for sale in the Bay area at the Los Gatos Bentley dealer, and it sold very quickly. I am surprised that given the short supply of these for sale, that the price hasn't zoomed a bit more.

    p.s. disclaimer, I still own my 246GT.
     
  19. dm_n_stuff

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    Yup.

    Books, a complete set, in good condition, can cost you $4K or more with the pouch. Tools, another $3K easy, and much more with a reflector and a jack, going as high as $5K.

    And no, there doesn't seem to be any adjustment made for that. When I have asked sellers if the books and tools are complete, almost always the answer is no. When I tell them that's gonna cost $5k or more to replace the missing bits, and that needs to come off the price, they seem surprised.

    Since we all seem to know these costs, I can't figure out why the shock and awe when the seller is informed of it.

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  20. tx246

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    i have to admit, common sense would be that you are buying a car and not books and tools. most people don't keep this in mind when they see pritine cars go across the auction block. the cars that bring high$ are the cars that have EVERYTHING. If they don't plan on spending time to collect these items. I am uncertain as to whether the price should be deducted from if these are missing or added to (in the buyers mind) if they are present. regardless, books and tools can clearly affect the price of the vehicle.
     
  21. Texas Forever

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    LOl, you must have been talking with Shaughnessy!
     
  22. Texas Forever

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    According to Tom Shaughnessy, books and tools are the cheapest thing that a collector will buy that counts toward a Platinum award. Say that you have spent $100,000 on a car (or better yet $1,000,000) and another ungodly amount getting it restored. The happy day comes and you get to drive your car out on the lawn. I don't know the actual points value, but it is my understanding that there is no way that you can get a Platinum award without, drumroll here, a full set of books and tools.

    Personally, I think that this is nuts. What some old tools that were a piece of crap when new have to do with the inherent beauty of a car?

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  23. dm_n_stuff

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    Annoying, isn't it?

    However, here's my current shopping list of things I had to do, or will be doing shortly, to get m 246 up to snuff.

    Refinish wheels back to original - $600 for the paint work (that was cheap) and $600 for the extra rims (also pretty cheap)
    Michelin XWX Radials - period correct tires for the car $1800 (courtesy of a group buy discount from Coker)
    Misc missing tools that I have grabbed $500
    Reflector (If I can find one) $300-500
    Key Fob - $200 (Again if I can find one) I have a very nice replica for $80 that I got.
    Assorted books and manuals $500
    Pouch for the stuff listed above $500-$1500, maybe more.
    Dinoplex ignition - even if it doesn't work $900 - still looking for this.
    Vent window repair still to come....priceless.. as I can't find the parts at all and will have to get them fabricated (Unless Tom comes through for me as promised.)
    Good condition original steering wheel, or get mine refinished $500-1200.

    Only thing I don't have to do is recover the dash, I have the original material, with the fuzz all gone, but my patina is considered ok by the couple of guys I talked to.

    Now that doesn't include the complete new interior I put in, but I would have had to do that no matter what, as mine was completely shot when I bought the car.

    So, if I want to compete at Reading or other regional stuff, I'm still a few thousand dollars away, and have already spent several thousand to get to the position where I'm close.
     
  24. yale

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    Hey DM,

    Tom Yang has a complete Dino pouch with all the manuals that came in it. I think he does want to sell it. Best, Yale
     
  25. tx246

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    i think you will be very hard pressed to find a dino keyfob for $200, i have never seen one for sale near that price.
     

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