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250 GTE ...HOW MANY REMAIN ?

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  1. Bob Zambelli

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    Without a doubt, one of the most elegant cars I've ever seen.
    When I lived in Milan in the early/mid sixties, I saw quite a few of these.

    Question for the experts: I noticed a number of subtle differences in the two versions, especially in the lighting.
    What comprised the suspension and drivelines (engine, transmission, rear axle, wheels)? Were they also subject to assorted variations?
    I believe that one or possibly both versions were equipped with a Laycock de Normanville (sp) overdrive.
    Just curious!

    Bob Z.
     
  2. John Vardanian

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    Tom Wilson is talking about his beautiful car here. It's a great video:

     
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  3. ArtS

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    Nice job Tom!
     
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  4. jtremlett

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  5. V12addict

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    Where is the auction at ? Tons of money needed to re-create the body panels. and as far as the chassis and mechanical s.........who knows how salvageable they are. Why people subject these cars to such neglect is beyond me. Thank you for posting.
     
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  6. turbo-joe

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    when I baught mine in around 1974 or 1975 it was looking like the same. not so much rust, but no wheels, better bumpers but engine dismanteled in the inside and in the trunk with missing oilpan and seats with birds building there nests on the seats and in the inside

    also like to know this
     
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  7. Aardy

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    https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1464922
     
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  8. V12addict

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    Yes, and the cost of restoration on one of these Ferraris was much easier and less costly in mid seventies, plus parts were a lot more readily available then.
     
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  9. ArtS

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    I suspect the moss will raise the price!

    Sincerely,
    Art S.
     
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  10. torquespeak

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    Don't see any alternative route other than chassis stamp being cut out and being welded onto the brand-new chassis of a not-quite-perfect replica of a 250 SWB. If someone saves this and restores it, I'll eat my desk.

    -Ed
     
  11. turbo-joe

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    enjoy your meal ed :)

    if there are all matching numbers then it would make sense to restore. later then you have an original car, not a replica.

    when I baught my first GT/E from a junk yard it ws looking nearly equal, but the engine dismantled in the trunk and in the inside with missing oilpan and missing wheels. but all matching numbers and I started to restore but after many years I had not the time to go on and so I sold it. body complete done and new paint, engine and brakes also all done.

    unfortunately I not know if the engine and gearbox is there or not. if there would be missing a lot of important parts then I would think several times before starting restoring or making a SWB or something else. but for this you not have to cut out the VIN.
     
  12. epdowd

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    My guess is that GTO Engineering has its eyes on both GTE’s (one a rolling chassis) in this auction…
     
  13. sam231

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    Hi Tom,

    Could you fit in a new project, Rocinante might like a stable mate......:>)

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
  14. epdowd

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    Not sure i have another 20 years of restoration in me Sam…
     
  15. Santi23

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    Marcel,

    This thread is very old but I found it while doing some research on that 250 GTE (#3003). It was offered to me in Spain. First, I would like to thank you for sharing that information because I didn't know that it was a non-matching car. Then, I wanted to ask you something about the shape of the front grill. I do notice that the front grill is smaller on the right than on the left. The shape is not perfect and the "oval" shape is uneven overall. Would you that that is due to these cars being handmade or that it is because it had bodywork at some point?

    Thank you!
     
  16. Marcel Massini

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    All hand made, absolutely normal.
    Do not apply modern 2022 standards and perfectionism when looking at 62 year old handbuilt cars.

    Marcel Massini
     
  17. Santi23

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    Great. Thanks again, Marcel.
     
  18. christc

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    As far as I understand GTO bought it and so it makes sense to assume that it will be the base for a rep.

    As I understood it was a car with a write-off accident in its 1st year which was taken by the trade and repaired to dubious quality. The first owner got another new Gte after its write off.

    I am sure Marcel Massini will be able to tell the complete story.

    All the best
    Christopher
     
  19. kare

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    Looks like a very typical bad accident repair. Replacement parts were not necessarily expensive, but it took in many cases eternities to get them delivered. I think the bonnet ordered for my car finally arrived in two years time or so.
     
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  21. Marcel Massini

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    3081 GT was sold post 2003 from The Netherlands to Treviso, Italy.
    21 October 2013 the car was confiscated by the Italian Guardia di Finanza/IRS.
    In November 2016 it was sold by RM Sotheby's Duemila Ruote auction in Milan, on behalf of the Italian government/IRS.
    The engine with the car is 4747 GT.
    Original colors were Blu Scuro 11456 with Rosso VM 3171 Connolly leather interior.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  22. Enzo Anselmo Ferrari

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    Hi everyone!

    I was talking cars with my father over lunch and he mentioned to me that in the early 1960s he was in holidays in Auvergne and saw on a car park a 250 GTE, silver, registered in the French department of Puy de Dome (63), and drivent by a young lady! It was the first Ferrari he ever saw on the road and is not sure the picture he took is still around!

    anyone know of such a car, and if it’s still around ?
     
  23. Zaza

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    Try to post in the French section, maybe more luck. You also can read the latest book written by Cyrille Jacquinot on Philippe Gardette who was the Ferrari dealer in Auvergne for decades

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  24. epdowd

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    3975 GT was originally Grigtio Argento with Nero leather and registered to a Mr. Moinade on plate 1 LE 63 in Puy de Dom.. Not sure about the young lady, but I think we have a winner! It is now red and still in France. Photo from Metcalf.org.uk


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