250 GTO (3589GT)

Anyone else find it hilarious/ironic when a celebrated, self-proclaimed guardian of historical accuracy makes excuses for & pandering those creating rather obvious inaccuracies ?

 

I can't believe they are running crap CA pump gas in that car?

 

No. But, you know what I find really tiring and, frankly, quite pathetic…?

 

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The pistons in this engine come above the deck the same. See Classiche video at 3:13 here.
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From the 3589 video here.

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looks like high compression pistons. I think they look over the same thickness as the cylinder head gaskets have?

 

Not entirely unexpected, considering we all perceive & view the world & everything in it from perspectives based on our individual/personal experiences* and while I don’t recall you publicly acknowledging or raising objections to them often, I can certainly imagine how exhausted you too must’ve felt seeing the most prolific contributor of a certain debate carry on with seemingly endless, pathetic, pointless & relentless attacks & conjecture for years in hundreds or more posts.

OTOH, we can both be grateful nobody’s forcing us to read (or respond to) anything we don’t agree with or want to, right ?

*For example, however different they might’ve been from yours or others on this forum, my formative (early-to-mid teen ?) years were already filled with numerous events which taught me to be cautious & skeptical of not only the world around me, but most people inhabiting it.
This lifelong cautious skepticism, if you will, allowed me to see, in fact quite easily & early on, the real agenda/ulterior motives of that aforementioned contributor to the aforementioned thread, although in all fairness, he didn’t even try to hide them much or well, at least not initially, …
… and from where I was sitting/observing, they clearly didn’t have much, if anything to do with safeguarding history, etc.

 

3859 GT won 1st in Class at Pebble.

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"One of 39 GTO's built"... yes they actually said that.

 

They did!

 

If you saw a 250 chamber you would understand.

 

and certified.
i better go check my garage one more time. could there be 40?!

 

I held onto a few of the old pistons from the engine when it left my shop. Borgo of course.
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If I may be so bold to request a posting of the 'original' in Italian?
Thank you.

 

Inez Ireland? Lovely gal

 

Hahaha

 

It was just a google picture translation that I posted. Great that we can get a translation from Alberto of the original Italian which is a screenshot from the Tom Hartley Jr video.

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The letter's translation is not so important, it is mostly blah, blah, about the upholstery,
yet the last two lines can be interpreted 2 ways, and again Italian is such a flimsy language... but such an expressive one, much better than Spanish.

Tanto Vi dovevamo: We owed you so much. To whom, to Maranello Concessionaires (the addressee), or to Mike Parkes? I Ignore if he was still working at Ferrari,
or his own (private) GTO, to race for....Concessionaires? Even though the letter mentions Mr Michael Parkes' Automobile. So who owned it?
And, in '62, not only Parkes raced it,but many others did also. (Inez )
As I have no clue, please show me the path of truth

Now back to the letter, clearly, both dear players in Mr. Ferrari's world and life. Yet, it can be translated also as 'we owed you', or 'are in your debt', and,

the typical Latin 'sincerely yours', written with flourish: 'we were pleasured by the encounter in order to gift (hand over) our best salutations.

Encounter, by mail, not in person.

I know, I am nitpicking, and this is just anorak talk for me.

Regards, Alberto

 

"today in Pebble Beach"

Ed, where are the seams? By the by, great photos, too bad some the 'gallery' looks as it had just evacuated SF.

Concours d' Elegance? Right, not too much, or am I too old ?

 

The whole point of the letter being published in the video was about the upholstery and that according to that letter full leather seats were not allowed to achieve lightness for the 1962 250 GT Competition Berlinetta, so they were made in a combination of leather and cloth, not full leather. Also the correspondence indicates the colour of the seats as being red, not blue as previously thought, so the letter's translation is important. Your problem is that you get involved and post in threads that you know little about.

250 GTO 3589 GT was initially owned by Tommy Sopwith and raced under his Equipe Endeavour Racing banner. Maranello Concessionaires/Colonel Ronnie Hoare supplied the car and Hoare drove it from the Factory to Sopwith for Mike Parkes to race, in which Parkes alone successfully raced the car in the UK in around 8 races before being sold to the US in late 1962 to Tom O'Connor's Rosebud Racing Team who raced it 5 times with Innes Ireland driving including once when Innes raced it with Richie Ginther.

Although Mike Parkes was racing Ferraris from around 1961 for Tommy Sopwith, John Coombes, Maranello Concessionaires and the Factory, he did not start working at the Ferrari Factory as an Engineer/Driver until 1963.

 

I always make a mistake, to try and help out in some nuances about the Italian language, and the at times, peculiar
manners how Italians express themselves, about content and not issues. Clearly, you, as an Italian speaking Brit knew that all along.

You know, you have the penchant to constantly trying to demean everybody, and anybody that dares to contradict you,
or even question your mightier than thou attitude, and you have the effrontery calling out My Problems? Who are you?
The world's largest pedant?

Regrets, but I do not have problems, you do. You may know so much about cars, but, unfortunately that is ALL you know.
And, you really have a sociopath attitude. Scary....

It must be very difficult to live with you, a walking Encyclopædia Britannica How does your family tolerate you?
Even Einstein was more polite.

By the by it is "John Coombs", not Coombes, so Steve, old "Knowledge is Power", just a typo or plain ignorance? Now, that, is a big problem along with your upholstery issues,
added for lightness a 'crucial live or die issue, oh, and that most useful "Tit" about the bloody Colour.

You know, I do not know why I keep falling for your " One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest" drivel.

And yes, we all know, here

 

Alberto,
What are you doing?
You’re one of the good posters on this site. Why are you stooping to personal insults? You’re better than that. We all have our disagreements but I don’t believe this is the way to express them.
Thank you,
Dave

 

Dave, thank you for the compliments.
I am not stooping, I am rising.
Thank you.
Best,
Alberto

PS. you have a PM