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250 LM Hans Illert LM-P s/n 5899

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  1. tomgt

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  3. tomgt

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    #3 tomgt, Jul 26, 2005

    Sold to Holland in 1976. Original engine (?) found and reunited with the (shortened) chassis. Sold to Stewart, totally restored to 250LM spec.

    According to Barchetta there is a second car...........
     
  4. Horsefly

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    #4 Horsefly, Jul 26, 2005
    Not being a vintage Ferrari expert, I must ask, how did that car come to have a Porsche body on it?
     
  5. Ney

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    #5 Ney, Jul 26, 2005
    It had been crashed and put upside down. It was easier to put a Porsche body on the chassis than to hammer out a crashed aluminum one. See Rob de le Rive Box LM book for full story.
    Best,
     
  6. Marcel Massini

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    #6 Marcel Massini, Jul 27, 2005
    What LM book is that??
    Title?? Publisher?? ISBN Number??
     
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    #7 tomgt, Jul 27, 2005
    There are also 3 pictures in this book: "Mag het een Ferrari zijn?" by Rob de la Rive Box. ISBN 90-6120-955-2
     
  8. Marcel Massini

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    #8 Marcel Massini, Jul 27, 2005
    You didn't answer my question.
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    #9 tomgt, Jul 27, 2005
    Uuuhhh sorry Marcel but you have the wrong quote. You should ask Ney.
     
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    #13 Anteriore, Jul 27, 2005
    Right... sorry! I suppose I looked a little too close to the other name mentioned on the cover...
     
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    #14 Ney, Jul 27, 2005
    Correct. My apologies Marcel for not crediting you as the primary author. The above post was from memory and the Box name stuck in my head. I recall you having pictures and a explaination of this car and its Porsche rebody. I consider it one of the best books available on the LM's
     
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    Maybe there is a chinese clone of Massini's LM book with an undercover french authors name? Did you copyright the book in Asia?

    I think there is only one legitimate LM book :)
     
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    #17 wpbekker, Oct 20, 2011
    I'm still looking for a picture of 5899 at Weerbergrennen Austria 1965 with Etmüller winning. Anyone? Or at least the starting number?
     
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    #18 tongascrew, Oct 21, 2011
    It's worth mentioning a couple of things. The crash did not occure in a road accident as suggested in barchetta but in the rain during the second heat of the Engleberg H C .in late 1965. I am not a Porsche expert but the body installed was from a Porsche 906 with fiberglass pannels and gullwing doors which I don't think was a Carrera 6. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
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    #19 tongascrew, Oct 21, 2011
    Great pix, thanks. For the record the car was red with the white stripe. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
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    The 906 was also called Carrera 6 back then.
     
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    OK thanks. tongascrew
     
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    Beautifull
     
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    #23 tongascrew, Mar 1, 2015
    Hi nice to see someone checking in on some of the "old Stuff.What is your interest??? tongascrew
     
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    #24 tongascrew, Mar 1, 2015
    Have a look at the September 1995 issue of Sports Car Market page 23-24. Nice article about the 250 LM and #5899. The car is still very active today in Switzerland I think tongascrew
     
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    #25 lgs, Mar 1, 2015
    #5899 very active today in Switzerland? Are these the latest news? But here a Swiss comment from 1983:" ... sold to Paul Schouwenburg ... but (Schouwenburg) was still unable to restore the car, which was bought by pop singer Eric Stewart in June 1977, who had a new chassis built and the car restored by Rosso Ltd. ... ". Today, this very car seems to be Red Book certified and recently sold from RM for over $ 8 M to "North America". May be we missed something? Thanks for an update!
     
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