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  1. macca

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  2. Ed Niles

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    Two responses:
    1. Back in the day, Steve Earle and his pal Chris Cord both had LM's, and one of them (6107 or 6233) was alleged to have a fiberglass body; don't remember which one. Steve's car, 6107, was blue at the time.
    2. One time I was in Italy, and my pal Marshall Lieb had asked me to keep my eyes open for a "deal." I responded to an ad for a Lusso, and the seller said he would pick me up at my hotel. Soon, I heard the sound of 12 cylinders and went outside to find the seller in a beautiful silver LM! He said his name was Roberto Benelli, and yes, it was 5995 (do I have the number right?), complete with back window, full leather, bumpers, and even A/C. I crawled in, and he gave me one scary ride, full throttle, through the city streets, with no use of the brakes but liberal application of horn and flashers. His Lusso was every bit as pretty as the LM, but, to his regret I'm sure, Marshall didn't buy it.
     
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  4. bitzman

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    I think the 1972 accident occurred during one of the Ferrari Owner's Club's spirited Malibu runs, Malibu having a lot of canyon roads that lead from the San Fernando Valley to the ocean. I can certainly see--after seeing the crash pictures--how driving a closed car is safer than driving an open one if you're on a course where, if you go off track, there's a long way to fall. I was wondering if the car was then sold "AS IS: wrecked, or repaired first? Someone asked on FC if Wayne Sparling repaired it but I couldn't find the answer posted. I'm interested if it was subsequently advertised in Competition Press (predecessor to Autoweek) or Road & Track.

    On barchettacc.com I couldn't find a list of owners, just the car pictured (tiny) in a row of pictures which is nonetheless educational.
     
  5. Marcel Massini

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    250 LM #6173 accident happened February 1973 on the old Simi Valley Road. Starbird sold 6173 to Don Fong who had the LM rebuilt by Wayne Sparling. See also my book "Ferrari 250 LM" published by Osprey Publishing 1983.

    Marcel Massini
     
  6. Ed Niles

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    To be precise, Ken traded the LM AND his P-car to Fong for a comp Daytona, which he and Rosi drove for quite a few years after, even taking it to the 24 hours of Daytona. Sadly, I must have loaned my mal-functioning crystal ball to Ken, as neither one of us correctly divined the future of F-prices. Oh well.
     
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  8. bitzman

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    I suppose it made sense at the time, the Comp Daytona being ready to roll and more drivable than either car if you were just going to the grocery store.
    I think I heard later the Comp was trade for a couple Mercedes 450SLs or maybe a 450SL and an SLC. This was before old Ferraris worth worth much, or at any rate worth much compared to almost new luxury cars.

    Did the Comp Daytonar have an actual racing history?
     
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    Serial LSB jejejejeje
     
  11. tomgt

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    Anyone good pics 8165 at Le Mans 1968?
    Piper's wide body LM
     
  12. NürScud

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    I really love the colour livery.
     
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  14. alebart3

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    #613 alebart3, Dec 14, 2015
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    Hi, unfortunately I have pics from internet only, Pm me if you need other views.
    All the best
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  15. MikeCAP15

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    Does anyone know where I can find images of the area under the front hood for the 250 LM? I have only found three on the internet. Looking for front suspension, radiators, etc. in the front compartment to add to a MFH model.
     
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    #615 Aardy, Dec 16, 2015
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    You can find these three pics in :
    - Cavallino #105
    - Ferrari 250 Le Mans Berlinetta, David Piper
    - The Gran Turismo & Competition Berlinettas by Dean Batchelor
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  18. MikeCAP15

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    Thank you, gentlemen. Those are a good start for me.
     
  19. Bob Zambelli

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    Might sound like a dumb question but I'm just curious.

    Has the 4-cam 275 engine ever been used in the 250/275 LM?

    For that matter, has the engine been used in any competition cars?

    Bob Z
     
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    No the 275 GTB/4 engine was Tipo 226; 250LM engine was Tipo 211. Alloy 275 GTB/4 with Tipo 226 were campaigned by privateers but never a factory sanctioned entry.
     
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    How does the 275 GTB/4 engine compare with the P3 engine?
    Pete
     
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    And 2 cam 275 GTB was Tipo 213.
    Pretty sure there's a reproduction of Tipo 213 engineering drawing inside the hard cover of FERRARI: The Sports and Gran Turismo Cars by Fitzgerald, Merritt & Thompson.
     
  23. miurasv

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    Does the chassis of 6167 still exist?
     
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    Of all 32 made, 64 still exists ;)
     

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