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  1. Boudewijn

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    This photo shows #6173 to race #124 November 2, 1965 at the Rallye Jolly Hotel, Palermo-Trieste
     
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  2. Christian.Fr

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    I was looking for the sn! Very cool thanks Boudewijn!
    Here a new picture of this Lm on truck.
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  3. GIOTTO

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    #6173 - Targa Florio 1965.
     
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  4. Christian.Fr

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    Merci bien Giotto.
     
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  6. DWR46

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    Can any of you historians provide period photos of 5903?
     
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  8. Christian.Fr

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    Drogo long nose fitted for the second one...
    Between 65/66 it happened something for this car?
     
  9. DWR46

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    Christian: Excellent, thank you. Hopefully there are more photos out there.
     
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  10. johngtc

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    I have not seen this unique rear before. Does anyone have any other photos?
     
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  12. miurasv

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  13. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Although I don't doubt the articles accuracy, they might be gilding the lily a little, I know a couple of posters that will be peeved by the following.

    "However, it had picked up a doppelgänger along the way, a second car being created in the USA around the small section of framework which had been hacked off the original 6045 more than a decade earlier. Into this was inserted the V12 from 6045. This replica was then sold to an enthusiast in Arizona. So there were now two cars: one with the original chassis minus the factory stamp and original engine, and a facsimile which shared its identity and had the period unit."

    "Not content to let things end there, DK Engineering acquired the ‘other’ LM, removed the V12 and dismantled the car. In September 2011, the engine was reunited with the original chassis some 38 years after they had parted. The car’s owner has since invited Ferrari Classiche to carry out the transfer of the last remaining part of the frame – along with the correct serial number – from the replica structure to the original item."
     
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  15. lgs

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    Correct. This is legend building marketing in ‘0846’-style.
     
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  16. miurasv

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    #716 miurasv, May 22, 2018
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    "6045" Classiche Red Book Technical Pages.

    As Classiche Authentications are "Qualified Authentications" as defined in the Technical Pages of the Book, does anyone have copies of those Technical Pages relating to the chassis, engine, transaxle and body to post so we can see what they state regarding whether they are the original items, the original items repaired/not repaired or if they have been replaced and who carried out any works?

    Thanks in advance for any replies.
     
  17. Lusso123

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    Now this is something I've never seen before! F-chat has some of the best forums in the world.
     
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    I have known about the long roof being tried during the LeMans testing but have no recollection of the results. Was it disallowed by LeMans? Did it make the rear unstable from lift or some other undesireable side effect?
     
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  19. Christian.Fr

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    I think, and it only concerns me, that in terms of aerodynamics this roof is well drawn, well profiled, to a major defect, a good stability at high speed, and probably less intensive braking on the back.
    Probably, that Ferrari had to think of a rear wing to support the car on the ground.

    As for the visibility as well as the inner heat.... we imagine human resistance too.

    In terms of weight, it also means a risk of losing a race. 250 LM is 820/850kg for 320hp.

    The roof of the GTO 64 remained was an excellent option.
     
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    Still today I m feel surprised by Ferrari. We think we've seen everything, and one day, after a good search, we find a pearl.

    I do not reports, other traders will have to lower themselves to recover such a document to do their business. Finally all now they are doing meuuuuuu.
     
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  22. Christian.Fr

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  23. miurasv

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    There is a picture of this LM with fastback bodywork from side view on page 17 of Marcel Massini's Ferrari 250LM book.
     
  24. miurasv

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    Rear vision was too poor according to the Marcel Massini with Rob de La Rive Box Ferrari 250LM book.
     
  25. Lusso123

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    Ah yes.... I have that book, and obviously I never paid much attention to the photo of it at speed. Just looked at it again now.... not a great shot and easy to overlook, but it does show the fastback.
     

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