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  1. FerrariStuff.com

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    Thanks Darren... there goes the whole Finland theory... hahahahaha!
     
  2. Marcel Massini

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    In September 2000 the car was for sale by Fridolin Koltes of Auto-Salon Singen, Germany, asking German Marks 149'000. It then went to Japan.
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  3. Marcel Massini

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    #253 Marcel Massini, Jan 12, 2006
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    Here is the history of Wolfgang Von Trips' 250 GT PF Coupé #1263 GT, I own all the Italian road registration documents for this car:

    Body# 22125
    Original exterior color grigio fumo MM 16672.
    Original interior color plastic & leather rosso 3171.
    April 13, 1959, certificate of origin issued. April 14, 1959, registered on Italian plates of Modena “MO 50988”. Sold new by the factory to first owner and race driver Wolfgang Von Trips who paid Italian Lire 4'700'000. Color pictured page 64 of the Jörg-Thomas Födisch-Reinold Louis book “Graf Berghe von Trips – Eine deutsche Rennfahrerkarriere”. April 16-19, 1959, used by Von Trips during the 3rd Scuderia Hanseat Driver’s School held at the Nürburgring. 31 May 1959 raced by Von Trips at the Pferdsfeld airfield race in Germany on race #147. Pictured page 120 of the Födisch-Dewitz book “Trips – Bilder eines Lebens”. May 23, 1960, sold by Von Trips to Bruno Bigi, Rome/Italy, for Italian Lire 3'900'000. June 1, 1960, registered on Italian plates “Roma 398522”. June 21, 1960, sold by Bigi to Soc. C.L.A.S.A. (Carburanti Lubrificanti Affini SpA) in Rome for Italian Lire 1'700'000. July 25, 1961, sold by C.L.A.S.A. to fourth owner Giacomo De Propris of Rome for Italian Lire 400'000. May 28, 1962, sold by De Propris to Antonietta Verlicchi, Ferrara/Italy, for Italian Lire 100'000. June 7, 1962, registered on new Italian plates of Ferrara “FE 52643”. November 22, 1966, exported from Italy to France. 1994 owned by Paolo Bozano, Europa Residence, Montecarlo, Monaco 98000. He acquired the car from a Frenchman who had claimed to be only the second owner. Silvergray with red leather interior. Monaco license plates “X 269”.
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  4. Glassman

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    1471 Was originally delivered in white with a silver roof. This picture doesn't look like it's two toned to me.
     
  5. kare

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    Very good, but I can't rear the 2nd and 4th row either.
    RÖK INTE HÄR = Don't smoke here
    xx xx xxxxxx xxx xx = further instructions in Swedish
    STOPPA MOTOREN = Stop the engine
    xx xxxxxxx xx xxxxx = further instructions in Swedish

    And yes, clearly 1131GT and 1133GT.
     
  6. Marcel Massini

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    Cars are 1131 GT (white) and 1133 GT (dark red with gunmetalgrey roof).
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  7. FerrariStuff.com

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    Kare,

    your PM storage is full....
     
  8. John Vardanian

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    #258 John Vardanian, Jan 12, 2006
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    1381GT in 1978, Jackson Mississippi. The fellow on the right is ex racecar driver Charlie Kemp, offering 1381GT for sale under his dealership’s banner “International Motorcars”. The fellow on the left is the purchaser and later restorer of the car, Carl Webb. Carl is now 82.

    The black on the roof is crackle paint (someone’s idea of cool). It is the same paint that goes on the rocker boxes.

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  9. Kjell

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    The flag shown is Norwegian, a Finnish flag is white with a blue cross.
     
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    Here is Hotel Palace with a french flag....

    http://www.hotels-helsinki.com/palout.jpg

    It's still the Hotel palace in Helsinki... regardless of flag... ;-)
     
  12. Horsefly

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    I notice some strange looking wire frameworks that are stacked high in the background behind the car. Those frameworks look like full size wire outlines of various body parts of the car. What were those frameworks used for? I've seen pictures of various wooden body "bucks" that were used to hammer out aluminum body skins, but I've never seen those wire frameworks. Perhaps they are measuring devices to ensure accuracy of the various body pieces?
     
  13. Nicke

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    So true so true, But that foto is exactly as Kare said, taken outside of Hotel Palace in Helsinki, Finland. Hotel is still there to this date. Why the flag is Norwegian, I dont know, but thats not relevant I guess.

    And, what a wonderful thread. Such a joy for eyes and mind. I am amazed of the knowledge you have about these cars. Amazing !

    EDIT: Jack you beat me.
     
  14. kare

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    Because Norwegian F3-drivers Svein Nordvagn and Roger Florin were staying in that hotel...?
     
  15. Marcel Massini

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    Absolutely correct. Normal procedure in those years.
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  16. ArtS

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    Marcel,

    Adding to Arlie's (Horsefly's) question, what would be the difference between the wires he is asking about ant the Touring Superleggara (Sp?) wires?

    Regards,

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    I don't know anything about it but, thank you for posting the Black/Red car - I love it!

    Regards,

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  18. Marcel Massini

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    #268 Marcel Massini, Jan 13, 2006
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    Here are a few photos I took in the past 27 years (1979 until today) at Egidio Brandoli's restoration shop near Modena. Mr. Brandoli was an employee of Carrozzeria Scaglietti from the late 1950s until the mid-1970s. He then opened up his own restoration shop and was allowed to keep the original wooden body bucks from Scaglietti (see pix of 275 GTB nose). Later on, he replaced the wooden body bucks by metal ones. Carrozzeria Brandoli, who is among world's best restoration shops today, still uses the original bucks and forms. Besides complete cars, many body parts such as bumpers or dashboards, they also produce large scale models, for example of a 250 GT SWB Berlinetta. The shop is run by father and son Brandoli and a few employees and is located in Montale, a small town between Modena and Maranello. Over the years they have restored dozens of significant road and racing Ferraris. These panelbeaters are true artists, with the perfect hands and eyes.
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    Marcel, thank you for posting these photos. The metal bucks are works of art all by themselves. I can't imagine the amount of work that it took to build these.
     
  20. djaffrey

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    #270 djaffrey, Jan 13, 2006
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    ...as this is tunring into a registry of sorts here are 3 more that I haven't seen referenced anywhere else in the thread.

    First up is #1827 currently residing in Liverpool England with the same person who I bought my car from. Not sure if he is going to restore it or part it out. It is another one of thsoe cars with interesting side fins...but the interior is a bit sad to say the least.

    So here is 1827....

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  23. Marcel Massini

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    #273 Marcel Massini, Jan 13, 2006
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    On the photos below you can see some of those "strange looking wire frameworks", pix taken at Carrozzeria Fantuzzi in Modena in 1979-1983.
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  24. Marcel Massini

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    1349 GT is actually owned since 1998 by Swiss Andreas Feigenwinter. It had been imported from Texas to Berne, Switzerland, on 13 April 1989. In TX the car was owned by John Ridings Lee. Importer to Switzerland was Peter Rau of Touring-Garage in Oberweningen, Switzerland.
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  25. John Vardanian

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    More photos of 1349 here:

    http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/1349GT.250GT.Coupe.htm

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