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  1. djaffrey

    djaffrey Formula Junior

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    Art,

    Funnily enough most of my cars are/were LHD (my 250 GTE was and my Smart car is) so I am plenty use to it. Doesn't really matter in the UK these days anyways because overtaking is a seldom seen, or used, maneouvre. Cameras and volume of traffic see to that.

    Colorado Grand...not this year sadly !

    Darren.
     
  2. John Vardanian

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    Kare,

    From the history sheets I've seen, for interior, most say "pelle e plastico" and some say "tutta pelle" (excuse my Italian). I assume tutta pelle means all leather, mine fit in this category, even the back window shelf was leather.

    john
     
  3. Bryanp

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    There is a register, but it is not online. Curtis Vandenberg (Ohio) has owned several/many PF Coupes over the years and, at least 6 years ago when I last spoke w/ him, kept a register. His guess on PF Coupes remaining as PFs (and not 250 replicas) was about half of the 353.
     
  4. John Vardanian

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    I guess pretty/ugly, desireable/undesirable is relative to people's taste developement in a window of time.

    People are paying top dollars for 1950's kitchen appliances and spend a bundle on restoring them. Ten years ago these same appliances were ugly junk.

    In 1989 a Daytona fetched $700k, while a 410 Superamerica didn't even get a chance in the spotlight. Where are these cars today in the pecking order?

    john
     
  5. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    A Daytona is today US$ 200 K, a 410 SA is US$ 800 to 900 K. It's a matter of rarity/numbers built. Custom coachbuilt is in high demand.
    Marcel Massini
     
  6. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I came close to buying this car when Garry had it. I think it was maybe 2001/2002?

    He wanted $60K with the tool kit and $50k without the tool kit. Very cool car, even with the house brush paint job.

    If anybody wants more info on the car, I suggest that you contact the Evil Elf who dines on Toasted Ponies. He can tell you the whole story.

    Dale
     
  7. ArtS

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    Marcel,

    I think John V.'s point is that whatever happens to be, as Keith Martin puts it, 'the flavor of the month', is what is expensive. In '89 the millionare specials (SA, SF, etc) were not as desireable as Daytonas to the majority of those buying Ferraris. As a result, the prices were inverse of what they are now.

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  8. Ed_Long

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    I am amazed that only about one-half of the original 353 are left intact as PF coupes, seems a shape that so many are gone. I am quite curious about the cars with vinyl coverings. Mine only has leather, including the gearbox tunnel, rear window ledge, and floor of the trunk (er, boot). Where was the vinyl applied? Mine also has a black dashboard cover and it appears to be leather, despite the light blue leather on everything else.

    I would be keen to see the 250 PF coupe register, particularly to see if there are any others near me in Oregon. How would I find this fellow Curtis Vandenberg who has started a register?

    I happen to think that this style is quite attractive (maybe, just my bias), despite it not being of the category of my favorite style, the GTO, or the Lusso or TDF. But, I saw one in red at Monterey and it does not suit the style very well. More reserved colors like the grey, silver, blue, white, etc look much more appropriate. The analogy to the Continental Mark II or the first edition notchback Mustang seem appropriate.

    I am also curious about the dealer's add listing the car as a Pinin Farina coupe, i.e., two words. I had the impression that he merged the two names into Pininfarina before the 1960s era. Was this a type by the dealer or is it correct for this car? Mine, s.n. 1747 (Dec of 1960) has the name as one word.
    Ed Long
     
  9. ArtS

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    Ed,

    Do you want me to post the picture of your car here?

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  10. Glassman

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    My car 1471 is completly original. The vinyl was used on the door panels and the rear deck. Everything else is leather except the headliner. The dash appears to be leather.
     
  11. Bryanp

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    Ed - i flipped thru my PF Coupe file last night and was chagrined to see that I did not have Curt's number written down. My memory says that he lives in Ohio. Maybe someone else here can PM the # to you. He's a great guy.
     
  12. John Vardanian

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    #37 John Vardanian, Dec 14, 2005
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    Kurt Vandenberg is in Eaton Rapids, Michigan. Phone 517-663-8452

    BTW, his old PF coupe 0947GT was in the Bonhams listing for Gstaad '05.
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  13. shaughnessy

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    Trennery and Sheehan just bought the car last week for $100K-115K from Tony Nicosia, in Costa Mesa who had it on consignment. I use to own this car, for exactly 1 hour. Good car, grade B restoration. I clearly didn't see this car being worth $110K ish and I certainly do not see it at $150K. Nice to want. Very little for dealers to buy, gotta keep trying.
     
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  14. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Damn Tom, go to bed!

    Dale
     
  15. Marcel Massini

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    0947 GT is currently owned by a private Swiss individual.
    Marcel Massini
     
  16. Ed Niles

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    'm pleased to say that I sold 0947 to Curt, and got him started in the F-car game. That car was pretty ratty then; he's done a good job with it, and had a lot of fun. Makes me happy.

    Although in the old days many folks thought the PFs were too conservative, I always liked them (had 7), and I'm glad to see that they are "coming back".
     
  17. djaffrey

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    Ed - 7 PF's....bravo.

    Does anyone by chance have a photo of an original PF fuse box cover ?

    Thanks.
     
  18. Ed_Long

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    DJ:
    I can take a picture of mine tomorrow, be glad to do so, but I have no idea how to relay it to you. Some advice would be appreciated.

    Ed Long
     
  19. John Vardanian

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    Ed,

    Did 0947GT always have fender flairs?

    john
     
  20. djaffrey

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    Ed,

    Kind offer. Thank you.

    Could you perhaps send it to my email address : [email protected]

    Darren.
     
  21. ArtS

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  22. Ed Niles

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    Don't know about flares; they were there when I had it. Cheers
     
  23. John Vardanian

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    What color is Ed's car? Looks kind of bluish gray. Nice color.

    john
     
  24. Ed_Long

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    Darren:
    The photo of the fuse panel cover is on the way, emailed late Friday. Let me know if it is not satisfactory and I shall try again.
    Ed Long

    John:
    My car is a dark gray, not a bluish gray. Accoring to Kerry Chesbro, it is listed as Grigio Scuro with a light blue leather interior, Plastico e Pelle Blu. The dash cover is black.
    Ed Long
     
  25. John Vardanian

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    Hi Ed,

    It's a nice color. It must be a nice combination with the light blue iinterior. Can you post a picture of the interior? Thanks.

    john
     

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