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250 TDF vs 250 SWB

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  1. 275GTBSaran

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    Ever since aquiring a 275GTB/4 I have caught the Ferrari bug. I have been thinking about selling 1-2 oldtimers I have and buying something from the 250 series Ferrari which is legendary in terms of putting Ferrari road cars on the map. I rule out the 250 GT PF coupe /convertible as I do like the style. I also rule out a 250 Cal SWB, LWB spyder as they just do not do it for me and frankly are also beyond my budget. This leaves two models which I find great, the 250 SWB, or the 250 TDF (one or three louvers). I slightly am more in favor the TDF, it has a richer and more important history. Also all were made in Alloy whereas the 250 SWB Alloy version is also beyond my budget. That leaves the steel SWB.

    So what would you chose? What is better car to drive? Is it fair comparing the two as the SWB was made a few years later? Looking forward to hear your thoughts. E
     
  2. wbaeumer

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    I have driven an SWB recently and I strongly assume its the much better drive, no matter if steel or alloy!
     
  3. 275GTBSaran

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    Thank you. I know, I hear many people say the SWB is heaven to drive. Have you also driven a TDF to compare? I would be curious on hearing opinions who have driven both cars.
    Thank you for your comments- Much appreciated.
     
  4. Edward 96GTS

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    Try to drive a pf coupe, heard it drives similarly to the tdf...
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  5. Ed Niles

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    Agree with all the above. Have owned them both and the SWB is much better to drive. Of course if it's just going to be a garage queen...(I hope not; I'm a believer in driving 'em).
     
  6. wbaeumer

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    No, never drove a TdF - but I heared that it handles like a truck. But - a fast truck!..:)
     
  7. 275GTBSaran

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    Well I would also say thats a damn expensive truck ;)
     
  8. 275GTBSaran

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    Ok thank you. That might help me as I have access to one here in Zurich...
     
  9. wbaeumer

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    OK, I have to correct myself:

    Its a fast and damn expensive truck!.:)
     
  10. Edward 96GTS

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    Maybe someone should rebody it as a ferrari el camino ;)
     
  11. tx246

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    I have ALWAYS assumed the SWB is a better car because of development time, but the TDF is a MUCH cooler car!!
     
  12. Edward 96GTS

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    Both are cool, but the swb is the better looker......
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  13. John Vardanian

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    When it comes to Ferraris, there's one rule: The older, the sexier

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  14. geno berns

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    The SWB is a well balanced machine that you can have fun in the track and street. It's more advanced and most owners rave about the car's driving characteristics. I think you will be paying California LWB prices however for a really good SWB ot TDF. $3.5MM is a really good number to have ready just in case a good car comes along...

    Geno
     
  15. 275GTBSaran

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    Thats what I am thinking. I think the SWB is more well known but the TDF is for people who know and value history. I agree with your cool statement.
     
  16. 275GTBSaran

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    Although I think the TDF is cooler I have to admit the SWB is a better looking car.
    I think all the 1950's early 1960's Ferrari's were for the most part great looking. I also love the TDF, its beauty that doesn't seem apparent right away (as with the SWB) but rather it becomes better looking with time I find...
     
  17. Ferrari_250tdf

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    Better to drive for sure would be the SWB. Simply because it has a shorter wheelbase, telescopic instead of hydraulic lever shocks, disk brakes, wider tyres, improved and more powerful engine.

    But the TdF is not to be underestimated! I drive one for more then 15 years and more then 40.000 km (6 times Mille Miglia, 3 times Le Mans Classic, Ferrari Historic Challenge and a lot of other events on the roads and tracks) and I never had the feeling of driving a truck. Seating position is excellent and it is very easy to drive and always predictable. It never gives you bad surprises. Ok you have to know that your drum brakes in combination with the narrow tyres do not give you the brake power of a more modern car. But so far it was always sufficient.

    Years ago I used to have a 250 GT/L too but that was never as much fun as the TdF! In the TdF you always know you are sitting in an old car and you automatically adapt your driving style. For me the Lusso was already too modern without being as good as a modern car.

    I can only subscribe to the words of Paul Bracq who once said that for him the most beautiful Ferrari is the TdF. "It is dynamic, sleek, beefy, sporty - like my old philosophy: not too hard and not too soft".

    Let me know if you need more information the the TdFs.

    Best regards

    Matthias
     
  18. wbaeumer

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    I have to admit that some TdF are damn good looking!
     
  19. wbaeumer

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    Hmmm, the rear end of the SWB is veeeery sexy. Very hard to beat that look!
     
  20. miurasv

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    TdF is rarer with 77? being made and 161? SWB. As you say the TdF are all alloy but I notice that they are heavier at 1145kg, and the steel bodied SWB being 1100kg (960kg alloy). There is also the very rare and interesting LWB Interim with only 7 being made (6? remain). The Interim being similar to the SWB but with a three quarter side window and the LWB chassis of course. All very beautiful cars with the SWB the prettier but TdF more menacing looking.

    250GT LWB Interim Berlinetta: http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z...T-Interim.aspx
     
  21. kare

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    I have a friend who hasn't driven a TdF neither - or any Ferrari if that matters - but he says they all handle like trucks!

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  22. wbaeumer

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    They "all" handle like trucks????

    He should drive a 275GTB.....!
     
  23. 275GTBSaran

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    Your comments are very much appreciated Matthias-thank you. Your input is exactly what I as looking for in terms of feedback. Given I own a 275GTB/4 a TDF might be good alternative. Although I would change the brakes immediately I think- drum brakes I just cannot get used to. If you have any driving reports or articles a on TDF I would apprecaite seeing one or two. But nothing beats real life driving experiences which you kindly shared with us! best regards Edmond
     
  24. 275GTBSaran

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    Thank you. I was reading about the Interim models in a Cavallino mag- there are indeed interesting creatures. I agree with your statement that all are beautiful with the SWB the prettier but TDF more menacing. Well I think both have their advantages (I am thinking of an analogy that is female related). Thank you!
     
  25. 275GTBSaran

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    I can only second your comments Walter! He obviously has not had the pleasure of doing that yet!
     

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