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  1. malcolmb

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    wow, an old thread back to life. I LOVE driving my Daytona.
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  3. jgcferrari

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    To me nothing feels more Ferrari than a properly sorted Daytona, its just magcial, probably my favorite driving Ferrari of all time
     
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  4. Drew Altemara

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    The Daytona was built on the 275 classy I believe.

    The engine is 4.4L vs. 3.3L for the 275GTB and I imagine the running gear is a little beefed up in the Daytona.

    The Daytona is much heavier to drive. By a large margin.

    Is this all due to the weight of the engine or are there other differences.


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  5. DWR46

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    Drew: Don't forget, Daytona's have air conditioning, this adds quite a bit of weight. All the suspension is designed for the heavier, more powerful car. A-Arms on a 275 are welded up sheet metal, while a Daytona uses heavy forgings. Daytona's are nicer finished in the interior and all this adds weight. Obviously the larger engine and dry sump system is quite a bit heavier. Daytona bumper systems (even on European Daytona's) are considerably heavier. 275 GTB with steel body-2,757 lbs. Daytona- 3,487 lbs. Both cars with spare tire and toolkits, but no fuel. Weighed on the same set of race scales.
     
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    :)
     
  9. Edward 96GTS

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    checkout the speedo/tach. :eek:
     
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    He was on the Autobahn;) and that's what these cars are made for, not concours lawns:).
     
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    I did! :)
     
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  14. malcolmb

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    jim, check the road ahead, 13 mile straightaway.malcolm
     
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    that is no beauty, ultimately they got it right.
     
  18. Marcel Massini

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    10287 is the very first Daytona prototype.

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  19. TTR

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    … and for some fairly obvious (styling) reasons, didn’t (thankfully) get chosen for production. ;)
     
  20. Marcel Massini

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    That was never planned nor the idea.
    Prototypes often use bodywork from earlier cars (288 GTO = 308 GTB, or F50 = Mondial 8, etc.) or even different makes (FUV Purosangue = Maserati, etc.).

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    California Autobahn ;)

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    Yes, I’m fairly familiar with the concept of design prototypes, hence my earlier comment.
    Many designers often use new and unconventional styling features for their prototypes, while some try to retain existing or older ones, perhaps using such feature in attempt to “bridge” the lineage.
    I’ve even had a pleasure to work on few (non-Ferrari) vintage prototypes (& one-offs) of various makes.
     
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    awesome, you still have them 15 years later? did you ever attend Crescent Classic in Arkansas?
     
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    Do you think there are any ‘easy wins’ to reduce weight? Tubi, modern aircon replacement etc? Unlikely to be able to drop that much I would expect.
     
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    Ken: Only major ways to reduce weight would be totally remove the A/C system, remove the bumper units, and gut the interior.
     
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    Dyke, while I dislike to disagree with your experience, I don't think Daytona bumpers or their support structures are heavy contributors to overall "weight problem" on them.
    Looks like 275 GTB bumpers might weight more than those on Daytona.

    OTOH, Daytona (road car) exhaust system, especially the US one, is quite heavy, over 200 lbs, IIRC. And let's not forget all the smog equipment related items.
    The "visible" interior components aren't really that heavy, but all the OEM heat/sound insulation (under the carpets) and the firewall + underfloor heat shielding (latter I believe is found only on US cars) easily adds 200+ lbs.
    Also IIRC, the complete A/C system is only about 100 lbs, but as you said removing it all would help reduce the weight.
    The dual-zone heat/fresh-air system is fairly heavy too, maybe another +/-100 lbs all in.
    Daytona doors (especially steel ones) with power window systems, OEM speakers, etc are also surprisingly heavy.
     

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