I like F50's, Gil can't see past an F40, Aircon used to own an F40 back when they were REALLY expensive. What order would you place them in? 1) F50 Modern technology, still raw and unsanitized, no computers doing the driving, unassisted everything. Not pretty as barchetta 2) 288 GTO- The most beautiful Ferrari since the 60's, fast and rare. Merely "adequate" performance in today's terms. Pure sex on wheels from ANY angle. 3) F40- Icon of the 80's, not pretty, badly built and they made too many (So many Gil has 2). Awesome performance even by today's standards. 4) Enzo- But ugly and over computer controlled. Perfect for the gold chain cafe set. Perhaps 1 and 2 could go either way for me. If we were talking F40 GTE's (S/N's 74045, 90001,82404 ) they would be at position 1.
F40/50 for me... I hate computers that think they can drive (exactly why Bec got rid of the E420 after three months)
I haven't enquired after the Giallo Enzo Roger, so I can't really comment. The last Enzo price I saw at auction was a "no sale" at $765k US (If memory serves correctly) for a "new" US model about 10mths ago. The Yellow car in question is a Euro model, most probably non-tax paid in EEC. Run the numbers around that price, add a fair profit margin and you have a starting point.
Never really seen the fascination with straight line top speeds myself. The only time it has ever done much for me is on a motorcycle where you really feel the speed. I have done 280kmh indicated in a car and not been that fussed; but I have done 310kmh indicated on a bike and got a huge adrenaline rush. Give me corners any day. Much more skill involved.
they LOOK straight from the pics, but travelling at 90-100 metres per second nothing is straight or flat enough
There were plenty of fast sweepers out there too, and I agree corners are more fun but there is a certain thrill in doing 300kmh+ on a public road. So I take it your not interested in bringing the F50 out next year?
Each to their own. For me, apexing turn 1 at 220kmh or 4 wheel drifting over Lukey Heights at Phillip Island is where it's at ! NB: This is in road cars, the Michelotto has no speedo and I am nowhere near good enough to drift that anywhere......
Well, yes, there is that, but it's also by far the best performer, the best finished and the most outrageous. i AM concerned, however, that it also appears to be the only one of all three that will actually be very expensive to maintain, which is unfortunate.
havig been in a 288 around laguna seca last year there's no competion for me. it was an unreal ride. better than anything else i've been in. i went around wakefield in a 360c car and as thrilling as it was it was no comparison, what with the history and the fact there are no 288's in public fca use here. there was a comparison in evo mag last year i think withh 288, f40,f50 and enzo. the f50 won from the 288, then enzo then the f40,. it was a real good read. i haven't been in the other super cars, but a cruise in one of them may change my mind. but the 288 has such a classic shape, a 308 on steroids. but i love the shape of the f40 and it was such a pivotal car in my influece in being a ferrari head i would take one no questions asked also, regardless of the rap that evo gave it. it beats and old ford or holden any day
haha, no my personal weapons of choice would be X1/9 or Elise so it's the tight twisty hills of adelaide where i'm at home, just i'm not passing up an opportunity to really see what these cars can do
275 for me, red/black, competizione but from your list it would have to be Enzo even though I hate all the gadgets I love the look (I know people think it's ugly) and it is a serious weapon for a road car. I have that Evo article as well that states the F50 is the best and I'm sure it is excellent and also has a lovely shape but it's the nose that loses it for me which is why I love the 275, it's a classic. The best car is not the fastest, it's the one that makes YOU feel the best as all these cars are subjective when you get to this level of performance. I am still keen to know why you selected the F50 Scott instead of a 275 or something of a similar ilk ?
I can answer that...because he's not an old fart like you! he wants modern, he wants performance. his dad had a 275 4 cam...it sounded lovely, went ok in a straight line, but didn't turn and didn't stop. Also, I think it's pretty well documented that the EVO article was sensationalist. Oh...and this same question has been polled numerous times on this board with always the same winner, by a clear margin.
Sounds like the perfect car you... I really enjoyed the EVO article, in fact the whole issue was dedicated to Ferrari's. Being a Ferrari newbie, I don't know what you mean by sensationalist. It seemed pretty level headed and objective to me,although Phil mentioned the 288 had been tweaked and setup by DK, so wasn't exactly as Ferrari had delivered it. Which was?
Firstly, I must confess that if funds ever allowed, Id have all four, purely for the fact that as a quartet, they look so nice together. I get a real buzz every time I enter the speed gallery at the FCCC and see all four cars lined up. The 288 GTO rings my bells purely because any road car that even WHIFFS of homologation is mighty fine by me! It's a great car, one I have tremendous respect for. For some inexplicable reason though, its not one I've ever actually aspired to own. Perhaps if it would have been allowed to compete in Group B. . I think the F40 is a great looking car, and has sentimental significance as the last super Ferrari released before Enzo passed away. For some reason it has never inspired the passion within me that certain other Ferraris do. I blame myself, and not the F40... A challenging drive by all accounts, and hypothetically, if I would buy one, it would have to have the Lexan sliding windows. Then again, I'd rather buy a competition F40. Hypothetically speaking of course! I'm an unashamed Enzo fan, although this is almost entirely based on what it looks like (internally and externally), rather than on any other consideration. It still has novelty appeal for me as well. It will be interesting to see where it will sit on everyones list in a few years when replaced by the next couple of super-Ferraris. BTW, I think I saw an advertisement for the yellow Enzo at MM: AUS$1.5 million was the asking price, IIRC. I love the rawness of the F50: three pedals, no ABS, traction control etc. It really signifies the end of an era, and is very special because of that fact. As demonstrated by the Enzo, Ferrari will never build another road car as un-compromised as the F50. In terms of looks, from the rear (full or three quarter view) with hardtop in place, its a piece of high art! The front is quirky, but endearing in its own way. Having not driven an F50 (obviously!), I can only go by what those that have say, but everything I've seen or read suggests that it is the REAL deal. Only criticisms of the F50 appear to be that it's 'too loud' and 'doesn't beat McLaren F1 for outright top speed'. Big deal! I suggest that if the F50 is too loud for you, run it sans H/T, or purchase earplugs! Remember when Ch 9 presented F1 telecasts? During the mid 90s, Alan Jones and Darrell Eastlake would test drive an exotic car, and that footage would be shown at the conclusion of that weeks race. I still have the footage of their drive around Eastern Creek in a (then) newly delivered F50. AJ declared it a superior drive to a standard McLaren F1. IIRC, he stated that 'the F1 desperately needs a rear wing'. This remains one of my most treasured VHS tapes! The sound alone reduces me to tears. Well, almost! F50 has it all IMHO: handling, straight-line performance, aesthetic appeal (especially from the rear, with H/T in place), and heritage. Only thing it lacks is competition history. But at the end of the day, it's a road going performance car, and my choice for ultimate one at that. The F50 is in constant battle with the 250GT SWB Comp and 300 SL Gullwing in my 'if I could only have one dream car, what would it be?' debate.
Scott has the Michy for the fast part of the equation so a classic to arrive at the track is so stylish, not that the F50 lacks style but a 275 has a certain touch of elegance and we all know you can't use the performance in this country so a car that gives a better feel good factor is what I want. (I'm lying , you know I'm after a 355ch, but a 275 is so tasty) Of course a 250GTO is the ultimate for historical supercar status and it begs the question that when the 250GTO came out Enzo insisted that there was only a handful of drivers in the world who could handle 302bhp and a top speed in the vicinity of 175mph so how come we put cars in the hands of "normal" people that have the capability to top 200mph and have in excess of 500bhp ?
Looks like you're a bit behind the time, moretti...the michy's for sale. Forget the 355...buy that thing.
