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  1. F2003-GA

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    IMO - BEV is primarily targeted to bringing in new to the Ferrari brand buyers that are EV centric
    So you're not competing against your own model line but competing against other BEV's in the market
    BTW the 12 Cilindri is positioned between the 296 and SF90(the upcoming replacement model) - IMO
     
  2. Forza Scuderia

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    #527 Forza Scuderia, May 19, 2024
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    I agree with your assessment of positioning on 12 Cilindri.

    However, with the BEV I disagree.

    Ferrari is not primarily concerned with benchmarking against other makers for the BEV. What they are primarily concerned with is INSURING adoption and uptake by its customer base. What Ferrari cannot risk is its customer base turning up their nose at it. They have GOT TO make the USP so compelling and the country club chatter and peer to peer elevator pitch so unequivocal that it ensures adoption by its customer base which have never purchased or expressed an interest in purchasing a pure BEV before.

    That’s why it’s going to be cab forward, well styled, have 1000bhp and cost less than $495k

    Oh and just to make sure that everyone is clamoring for it, they will put out some propaganda about potential buyers for this car being hand selected by the factory because it will be a limited production run and they do not have significant capacity to make these cars and on and on similar marketing genius positioning
     
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  3. 09Scuderia

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    that makes sense. Good insight Forza. What is the collective wisdom in the design? Will Ferrari go the route of the SF90 XX in terms of styling (aka Ferrari 296 GT3)?
     
  4. j09333

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    New EV if it has 1000hp or such will have 100KW battery pack to get decent range.

    So in general, it will have more or less than 700kg weight penalty from the battery pack alone.

    Car will be heavy. And the battery tech is from yester year not the new one if the supposed EV is for within next 2-3 years.

    So my guess is 100kw 1000hp 1900kg.

    Sadly, car will be still too heavy. It should not be allowed to weigh less than SF90 which in real world weighs 1750-1800ish I guess.


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  5. Forza Scuderia

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    No. It will have more of a 458 MM Speciale vibe. It will not have extreme aero like SF90 XX. It will be very clean, futuristic, some degree of fairly developed aero but nothing too extreme. Will have novel front and side treatments as it there is not massive need for combustion engine fresh air intake and cooling. It will be both avant garde and sexy. Imagine a Ferrari version of the BMW i8.
     
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  6. Forza Scuderia

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    I think you’re spot on all around
     
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  7. 09Scuderia

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    thanks Forza. Frankly, if it looked like a sf90 XX I would not order one. Our 296GTS is beyond gorgeous. Hoping the VS respects the design as you have suggested. Thank you.
    PS the 296 needs exactly zero more power.
     
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  8. Forza Scuderia

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    Well … just so we aren’t getting crossed up here …

    BEV will be clean and futuristic with non extreme aero

    296 VS for sure WILL have very extreme aero.

    Definitely getting a big swan neck rear spoiler,
    jutting splitters up front, shark gill vents over the front fenders
    And other ‘raced up’ GT3 aero features.
    Will actually be more artfully designed yet bad ass looking
    Than the SF90 XX. The 296 VS will be on everyone’s list list.
     
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  9. Forza Scuderia

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    I meant to type ‘on everyone’s lust list’
     
  10. Lagunae92

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    I want one but don’t want to have to get a 296 at this point
     
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  11. Forza Scuderia

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    Yeah you’re going to need a lot more than a GTS to get this car
     
  12. Lagunae92

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    If I don’t have enough, so be it. Speciale still better
     
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  13. Forza Scuderia

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    Speciale is one of my all time faves. Nobody really needs a Ferrari to be better than that.
     
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    there’s no requirement for the car beyond a GTB or GTS you ordered still in your garage. Other than that if just if your dealer wants you to get one. It won’t be a limited car.
     
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    Well lets wait and see what actually happens :)
     
  16. DavidJames1

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    Ferrari position the 12 Cilindri differently:

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  17. LVP488

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    I think, from this picture, that the front-engined V12 is moved to a more GT definition, the hybrid V8 taking the position of the sports car. Before the SF90, the 2-seat front engined V12 was the pinacle of the sports range, whereas it's not the goal anymore.
     
  18. j09333

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    I agree. Power and instant torque and speed has been up so much more that it really is not fun any more to explore what these modern cars can do with this much power.

    So dial down a bit and make the car not slow but enjoyable at low speed should be a thing and I am glad Ferrari did this for 12C


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    Apparently the F8 is neither fun nor performant. :p
     
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  21. Forza Scuderia

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    Haha I can’t wait to run down to my Ferrari dealer for some ‘sober elegance’ lol

    FFS Ferrari
     
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    I think that's just referencing the styling


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    I never knew!! ;)


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  24. DavidJames1

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    No, it’s performance and styling - it seems they are making it much more of a true GT car than the F12 or 812 while upping and managing the performance and handling for the average driver. If you look at the Ferrari used car market - for all the talk about top speed, acceleration, lowering cars, increasing engine noise etc. - most cars aren’t actually driven much. I don’t drive my cars much but when I do it’s 2-3 weeks at a time and a few thousand km - even then - almost no opportunity to approach any of the car limits on normal roads. So personally, I think they’ve pitched the C12 well. I think the 296 is a much sportier car and is also pitched well and is clearly popular.
     
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  25. Forza Scuderia

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    Ummmm … I would push back fairly heavily on this notion.
    While it won’t be a Limited By Production Number VS, it WILL still be a Limited by Production Time VS, along the lines of the 488 Pista VS cars. I believe this car will be more extreme than Pista and therefore even more desirable and more difficult to obtain allocation for. Sure, ultimately, it may be more dealer allocated than factory allocated but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s meaningfully more obtainable because the absolute production numbers will still be relatively low.
     
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