296 VS

The 296 VS is going to be neither overpriced nor over produced. The 296 VS is going to be the most desirable VS since the 458 Speciale. And while it will cost less than an SF90 XX it will be actually MORE desirable, more authentic, more race car bona fide, edgier, more raw, and the better drivers car. It will hold its value better than the SF90 XX even though it will be time of production limited rather than number limited.

 

I sincerely hope you are right...we love our 296GTS and would be beyond thrilled if the VS was next level. If its not over priced/ over produced the VS will be the best new Ferrari sports car in ages.

Just read this, if tariffs happen in the US (big IF) the prices of Ferraris (etc) will increase by 10-30% in the US.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/28/autos-ferrari-appears-remarkably-unfazed-by-trumps-tariff-threats.html

 

Tariff or no tariff the 296 GTB VS will have a base price of $535,000 usd and the GTS version will have a base price of $565,000 usd. Yes that’s a really big jump from the base car. But that’s what it’s going to be. You heard it here first.

 

That's about the same percentage increase from SF90 to XX. It's a lot but if you like the 296 base platform and get offered the VS, it will be worth it.

 

Doubtful, as is it beneath the SF90 in the hierarchy.

 

I agree. Even though the SF90 XX is a number limited car and the 296 VS won’t be … I think the 296 VS is going to be … just better. The SF90 XX just feels a bit tarted up doesn’t it. The 296 VS is going to be more authentic racer. More hairy chested if you will. Yes less money but better for those who want the real deal track focused street car

 

Hiearchy is not the prime determinant here. I realize it’s a counter intuitive assertion that the 296 VS will be better and more desirable by the cognoscenti than the SF90 VS but that IS precisely what I’m saying.

 

How one knows so much about a car that hasn't been announced -
Anyone who wanted Speciale with any history got one - unlike XX.
Ferrari XX is historic and will always be - hopefully 296VS is special - only reason bought 296GTS.
The 296 could be very capable - XX will always be more special.
Hope 296 is an XX and as limited - I just don't see it happening.
I like my Dino vs a Daytona - but equal Dino will never be more than an equal Daytona.
Speed only matters for a short period - they always make something faster - so that number is short lived.

 

I just hope they release the 296 VS Spyder at the same time... i've had a lot of fun with the 296GTS and I can't wait to experience the difference through some hills and circuit driving. The 296GTS is already a weapon on the circuit as far as road cars go.

 

It's kind of ironic how 296 turned out being rated the superior car over SF90 and, as Forza Scuderia has pointed out the 296VS is destined to repeat that situation with XX.
So many people dislike SF90 for good reason. It was overpriced, polarising, and has dropped like a stone, still yet to find bottom. It's just been one of those Ferrari's that didn't meet market expectations, and owners getting all salty about it isn't going to fix the situation. I would agree it can't be too pleasant losing a truckload of $ with the greater market still viewing it as bad property - I sympathise, although the writing was always on the wall.
With XX, Ferrari is again just doing their usual by capitalising off those customers who chase exclusivity and elitism - charging exorbitantly for much the same car, just with even less storage and practicality (if anyone ever thought that was possible)! And then the car doesn't even get considered as a legit track car, kept out of the XX programs etc etc. Nothing all that special about it from what I can see other than paying crazy money, money which may not even be recoverable as hoped.

 

Nice one Lebby! Was that flat out down con rod? I thought you would have got it over 300?

 

I think I could get more if I didn't hesitate (this was my first time driving at Bathurst). Also, this is GPS speed not Ferrari Speedo indicator, which I've found at that speed to be around 5% to 7% out from past comparisons. So for example at The Bend, my speedo shows max speed 295kmh but GPS shows 275.

 

Better in what? This is a a rather subjective matter. The SF90 XX is a beast.

 

First of all - Spider SF90 AF is still selling above msrp - someone just posted they paid 20k over.
That premise you spill is simply not true about the SF90. Those who receive an XX will more than make up for a loss if there is one. Who cares about the money - it only matters the day you buy / sell and hopefully we all own these for years - not months.
You could say same about every track purpose car at the end of a run - you will be proven wrong as they all do very well.My Speciale I bought used 30k under msrp at 12 months old. My 16M 100 under msrp 16 months later - now both are above msrp. Your crystal ball makes ne sense. You think if I put the money in the market vs cars I would not have done better over a decade vs pay taxes insurance storage maintenance? None of this is about the money - it's about enjoyment.
Why do you care what an SF90 value is - esp since you don't own one. All the hate you and so many have for a fellow Ferrari owners car is sad.

Took delivery last week of 296GTS - haven't driven in it but did sit in it. It's lower smaller and doesn't have the road presence of the SF90. Why compare two Ferrari's - both are good at what they were built for - everything else is personal preference. Let people enjoy what they busted their nuts for to place in their garage. You think 296 owners are different than SF90 owners. utter nonsense

 

Well thought out. Well argued. Nails everything here. Fantastic post.

 

The SF90XX was numbers limited, and outside of Top Tier/VIP/Challenge no one else could get one (mainly). The VS won't be as limited, so I think that will be the defining factor on long-term values...regardless of which is "better" on the track. I happen to find the SF90 boring and clinical vs. a 296, but I freaking LOVE the look of the XX. The XX's will do just fine long-term.

In my opinion, the best case for the 296VS is kinda like the Pista's. Strong, but mostly minimal appreciation if any (and as a reminder, Pista's were selling flat or under MSRP for a while). Nothing wrong with that! Just don't expect a TDF/812Comp type of burst to value. No matter what, the numbered cars are always the best bet for future value.

 

The 16M and the Speciale have one thing in common that differentiates them, neither has a hybrid system. For many people, the SF90 is simply ugly. People can forgive the LaFerrari for the hybrid because its a beautiful car and is iconic. Go to any FCA event and it's not the SF90s that get the attention and there is a reason for that. I would take a Speciale or Pista over an SF90 every day all day. The design language on the SF90 is confused and has the look of "trying too hard". That is why the depreciation curve on those cars is wicked bad.

 

I don't disagree. I also found the driving experience to be very....cold. It's fast as heck, but it wasn't fun (to me). The 296 is smaller and just more fun, as well as 98% as fast. That didn't help SF90 values.

The SF90XX is just so freaking cool looking though. Now that's how I want my special edition car to look!

 

Personally, I could care less if a car is hybrid or not. I just care about the overall experience. When I drive our 296GTS vs the previous generation mid engines its hard for me to not to feel disappointed with the non-hybrids. They feel significantly slower everywhere. Our Pista felt blindingly fast, but the 296 is absolutely faster and more engaging.

Hybrids when done right are brilliant.

 

They are indeed. When they work....

 

Pure speculation on his part, he has no precise information either. Especially as an SF90 XX will always be worth significantly more than a 296 vs, I'll come back to the subject in 2 years. Whether people like it or hate it, the SF90 XX is a fantastic car and also very rare and the first XX road legal Ferrari. That's a fact and by the way, the brakes are abnormally good and much better than the standard SF90 and 296.

 

People talk the cars they own themselves up. I prefer to drive an SF90 XX and have exclusivity instead of a 296 that has been built far too often. Especially as it is still significantly faster on the racetrack.

 

This isn’t a value thread! Get that junk outta here!

 

Absolutely - Cocoloco and yourself proof positive there! You guys crack me up. Getting all emotional and salty isn't the solution to the problem. Everything you've both posted only supports what I said previously, particularly regarding the inevitable. Exclusivity only has a certain value to a certain group, who have mainly spent an absolute fortune, and deserve some way out of their losses (hopefully).
When a car doesn't live up to being a better driving package than the less costly lesser exclusive model - in this case 296 vs SF90 - and, most likely 296VS - vs Sf90XX - then the market will always favour the victor. Nobody is saying SF90xx is an unattractive car, although with SF90 plenty held that opinion. SF90xx clearly has a lot of road presence - no question. Bravo! But is it worth near twice as much as SF90? And will it retain that same or more value in the long term? The market is yet to decide the car's fate there.
SF90 is due for replacement very soon and undoubtedly the next version is going to send both those cars packing, most probably along with their values.
And the talk of it being faster on a racetrack only holds so much water given the car is AWD and very heavy for what it is. As a track car there are so many better alternatives. Given these cars aren't being raced and only driven on a track, pure speed and lap times become less meaningful when there are better driving experiences to be had for less money, and which are far more viable and cost effective to run in that environment.

 

What you write makes no sense, if you are only interested in performance and price, a Daytona SP3 should only cost 300K. But a Ferrari is about more than just that, because it's about emotions, looks, performance, exclusivity, the whole package and that's where an SF90 XX or of course a Daytona SP3 is superior to a 296 and also 296 vs. I'm pretty sure that the SF90 will increase in value, because the successor will certainly be significantly more expensive, with a maximum of 30-40 hp more and a poorer sound due to the regulations.

I'll contact you again next year at the same time and we'll talk about it then.