296 VS

yep, that was me

 

These gains are a thing of the past. The go-faster 12C, if they make one, will be $1.5m. Exactly zero euros are being left on the table by Ferrari.

 

Why wouldn’t they? It’s just a VS with an ugly paint job. Hope the paint job will be better this time. I couldn’t wait to get rid of my pista piloti.

 

Going to be interesting how many people will figure out the game is over and bale?

 

Well I’m out and so are quite a few people I know. Not saying others should follow. Ferrari is a great brand and make great cars, so to each their own.

 

Likewise, gave up a while ago. Have had 15+ great years with the brand and drove my 812GTS today and love that car. Unfortunately nothing in their new line-up is of interest - maybe an age thing?

 

812GTS is tough to top

 

I'd say a number will once they realise what their car actually cost them to own. The levels of depreciation now being regularly reported really aren't sustainable unless you're a billionaire. I think the focus will shift toward the earlier cars even though some may not drive quite as well, but the reliability factor and knowing the cost of ownership is more realistic will be a key attraction. There also doesn't appear to be the same level of desirability for these hybrids which is probably down to the reliability factor and future maintenance costs which are likely to be quite horrendous.

 

They are sold out for years and it's not from b's - the tech is not cheap.
Reliability has never been great - hybrid is actually the best built Ferrari I've ever owned as is the Roma SF90 296
People on these forums are sour about not making money on their Ferrari's - we all lost on V12's and V8's for decades and don't forget we had to buy Lusso FF 612 that tanked.
Dino just bought - 600k and while I love it - it's going to break down. My 16M Speciale sticky button fogged lights all have problems. Love my GTS but it does clunk a lot - gorgeous car.
My Puro was a great car but it did some odd things - truly think Ferrari hybrids are the best cars that have ever left the factory and the battery warranty is legit.
Going forward battery repairs are simple - Tesla repair shops are being rebuilt in / out within an hour or two. Battery repairs are very easy and no one will care.
The V6 V8 engine hybrids are works of art - sorry I just don't buy this low desirability. SF90 years later is still the fastest thing out there and 296 is not far behind.
XX VS - these things are monsters that will never have someone looking for more - also think both are going to be show stoppers.
I bought into big displacement - Viper Lambo SV 765 Senna CarreraGT - all sold and while I may regret some I am really impressed where Ferrari is going. Fast finally!

 

Keep in mind with Ferrari's profitability going up the tech clearly isn't as expensive as what some choose to believe it is. Hybrid technology is not new and considering the new prices of infinitely less priced hybrids, any talk of Ferrari's tech being behind these exorbitant price increases becomes harder to swallow. And these other manufacturers, their tech appears to be more advanced than Ferrari's. These general manufacturers vehicle offerings appear to be more reliable with less complication, and, with no need to be religiously plugged in. So it does beg the question about Ferrari having superior tech and whether that is just an indulgent fantasy.
Agree the VS's are the way to go - certainly my main interest in the brand.
I don't recall ever saying the V6 isn't desirable and, without merit, but have certainly questioned whether it was appropriate in a new hypercard (as have many others) - although I totally get the association of the V6, with the race car using the V6 along with the race winning success. Hard to argue that point, but given the use case of their production cars being street, with a bit of focus given toward track usage on their VS models, it does lend question why go down the V6 rabbit hole for that type of use. Clearly the answer for that one is emissions.
With regard to the hybrid models, I'm also not saying they are unworthy or garbage either - heck i'm even buying one myself with a view toward the VS - if I saw the car as garbage I wouldn't bother.
I see one of the key points being raised today is more to do with the long term viability of ownership along with the lack of movement in the secondary market (at the current pricing levels), all which indicate Ferrari's new pricing has gone up too far for the secondary market to pursue at the prices these cars are being put back to market for.

 

All fair points and yes it's an expensive machine for the secondary market - legit concern but this is not just Ferrari. Aston Lambo same boat but Ferrari has the limited editions to offset vs the others. Not sure why people don't lease if they are concerned, other than they saw SF90's going for 1m early on.
Loyal Ferrari owners buy one of everything to offset the losses / receive special allocations and keep some good ones along the way, Even the Challenge guys get the limited editions which result in racing for free after spending 1m per year. Hope you receive the VS it's going to be one insane machine - regardless of its value.

 

Globally Aston and Lamborghini are further down both in historic depreciation , current depreciation and even quality today.

Have some cars from Ferrari had issues , yes and some extreme yet even those reported here were remedied and in one case the car bought back by Ferrari . Do some people not like haptic controls? Yes however this is the way of the future , remember when people complained about digital speedo’s

Overall Ferrari does look after their customers better than most if you maintain a relationship with your dealer . Unfortunately in the US there are too many dealers ( over 70) this leads to a lack of knowledge at sales level and it is easy to become a number.

In smaller markets you benefit from a more personal relationship , more flexibility and appreciation from the dealer. I cannot fault my dealer always available always communicative.

When it comes time to sell there is always an avenue available and values are better maintained than a big market which is set by the last car that ‘had to go’ for any manner of reasons. This has happened for many years and except for Covid usually in the first couple of years of a model rin

The other thing you get in smaller markets are less outlandish specs in terms of interior. If it is not Cuio , Nero or a combination of this or a darker blue shade you will generally have issues . An unusual interior may be a great spec for owner 1. On the used market, where people are often more conservative , the car sits around .

Overall I am glad to be in a smaller market where cars are more expensive new ( taxes are high) , you do not lose this in the sale.

Ferrari as a brand in total is so far in front of competitors in the exotic market , the others are still trying to catch up. They do not have a comparable race heritage and now Ferrari is on the cusp of F1 manufacturers championship to go with the last two Le Mans , both with hybrids.

Some will continue to pine for the V12 , V8 NA power units.These days that market is shrinking and many people do not want the loud ‘look at me’ preferring greater usability across a range of driving experiences. They can probably buy older cars or try their luck with other exotics and take that risk to get the brain rattling exhaust sounds.

In the end it is personal choice and like the thousands of members here I prefer Ferrari as a total package , those that do not because of perceived lack of value can always try something else.

Bring on the Hybrid 296 VS!

 

That's my thoughts and thanks.. At this stage I'm assured one, and i've never been let down on past assurances so it's looking strong, although nothings ever in the bag until it's actually in the bag.

 

Lol. Are you actually Ferrari PR?

 

He wishes.

 

Just a happy customer

 

There are not 70 US dealers - believe closer to 50 incl. three recently opened.
My dealer was planning a Mac store when Ferrari offered them a franchise. I made every effort to support the store vs shipping 300 miles in the past.
Ferrari owners have been installing after market exhausts for decades - gaining sound / hp.
GPF and other warranty issue people are a bit more cautious, the understating sounds and looks should be able to transform with the settings and paint choices stripes wheels etc can transform a Ferrari to the owners desires. Opening the valves alone allows a whole new level of excitement. Brain rattling sounds - to each their own but who doesn't love hearing a full orchestra imo shouldn't own an exotic.

My Roma sounds better than my 812 GTS and 296 better than SF90 but in comp mode sounds decent.

Ferrari knows what they are doing - perhaps conditioning for all electric but Comp Daytona 812SF certainly have a great orchestra, Ferrari and others are on thin ice and they know it.
296VS XX are going to age extremely well, being the first editions.

 

Wait…Roma sounds better than a 812 GTS….? Am I reading that wrong?

 

Except it isn't. Hence why I recall someone in the F80 thread mentioning talking to a Ferrari executive, who mentioned that they know it's bad, and they're working on a way to retrofit steering wheels without haptic controls in cars with haptic controls. Didn't they also ditch haptic buttons on the F80's steering wheel?

 

Hmm.. has a dealer in Germany confirmed those prices? Sounds very low to me.

 

You have potentials to be their PR

 

Really impressed with Roma, sounds better - rpm dependent in general I think it does.
Love pushing Roma - shifting balance power it's an excellent machine, downside of soft top is no rear window. Sold Puro and enjoy Roma as a daily far more.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/roma-vs-812-gts.631929/

 

I believe you feel that way, but not many will share your opinion. The GTS is hardly perfect, GPF be damned, but it’s still NA V12 that revs quickly to a near 9,000 redline. Tough for a small displacement turbo V8 that only revs to 7,500 to compete.

 

Apologies , last time I counted six months ago via their web site there were over 70 , now there are 54. Still that is a heck of a lot of dealers .

Porsche for instance had 203 dealers and in 2023 sold 11000 911’s alone with 75,000 cars sold in total in 2023

In the same year Ferrari sold 3262 cars in total in the USA .

I am not based in the US , as you can see from my profile yet in my market one dealer has just closed one of their two outlets .

Based on the numbers there has been a rationalisation of dealerships and this should continue. Again it comes down to knowing your dealer . I have found that gets you the best outcome

 

I was not just speaking of Ferrari regarding haptics, many car manufacturers incorporate haptics, plenty of tech has haptics , when I phones came out not everybody adopted the tech , now it is not even thought of that the device we use the most is haptic