296 VS

What’s the feed back from people that have seen it on looks? Good bad great?

 

Always complicated to make myself understood in English,it s not my language... what I wanted to say is that the engines tested at the factory of the 296 gtb and gts produce about 860 hp, and that one was even measured at 885 hp. There should be others at this level of power, there is no reason for it to have happened only once...

 

I have a demo 296 and in the booklet is written1000 hp ..

 

Ok, gotcha.
No worries english is not my native tongue as well. But we (all) understand what you're saying!

I think this powerplant has an easy capability to make 1000hp; as demonstrated with the F80. However the reason not to have the 296 hav t hat big of a horsepower jump is strictly a political one. The 'entry' level car can not have more hp (or be faster) then the top ranging SF90.
So my money is on 900hp for the 296VS.

 

They were all dealers.... so obviously they've all said it looked 'amazing'; if you're into that racing connection.

 

both is always better, but if you can only afford 1. Excitement on road is also an issue, excess power that thrills is different to excitant. I use a 250swb or 288 Gto as benchmark ideas, lighter more raw cars but still very road useable if one has ready access to traffic free roads.
A GT# is all fine and good, but its a plastic 911, a ferrari or a "real" ferrari by its very nature is different, there is lithe design that thrills the eye, a motor thats sings in a soprano voice, and all the little jiggles and wriggles as the car talks to you. Besides the motor voice a lot of the rest has been lost.

There is a reason why the technically superior 959 is worth half what a decent GTO is worth, all that techno wiz bang is not worth much a decade later, what stands out is design and the pure driving experience. Since the 550 the driving experience in Ferraris has become in fits and starts more diluted. Some of that is inevitable with drivability and useability not to mention legislation. But porche has proven you can still make a really live car, and its not crime if ferrari were to make 1 model every now and again with those attributes. Its not as thought he 296 is backordered and at this point the "brand" is resting on its status and F1, maybe some great driver's product in the mix wouldn't go awry.


i admire porche, driven a few, never owned one, Ive owned a Ferrari for 34 years now because of the magic, imo the new cars don't have it.

 

What percentage of sales is EU. No issue with making a row spec. If aston can do it so can ferrari.

 

True, very true.... But UK isn't EU anymore....

 

People buy aftermarket exhausts all of the time, why not offer one that is expensive and keeps warranty intact.

 

EU emissions regs apply to cars sold in the EU, not cars manufactured there. Cars delivered to other markets are subject to their local regulations, at least some of which are less strict (I don't believe any are more strict). So, Ferrari could offer exhausts that would violate EU regs to clients in other markets.

 

Precisely. I bet 75% of US clients (or more) would glady pay $30k for an optional "sport exhaust" that meets US regs (not EU regs), sounds like a pre-GPF car, and doesn't void the warranty. Hard to believe that wouldn't be profitable for Ferrari. Why they aren't doing it is a mystery to me.

More people would do aftermarket but for the fear of screwing up the car or voiding the warranty.

 

The factory - "sport exhaust" requires a tune to be done right as it effects emissions and gas mileage etc
At one point Ferrari was going to go the "sport route" but dealers to have two softwares and the hybrid potential issues was not worth it.
I had a factory Lambo SV sport tune exhaust - was 20 ish. When Lambo did a typical Maint the computer updated - the car lost the tune and was told by Lambo dealer and factory - too bad.
It's easy to get the dealer to install a covered warranty after market - plenty of options.

 

I’m sure it can be worked out

 

Undoubtably it can. But until now, as with a stick option Ferrari didn't care as the sales were there anyway. However its pretty clear, and ferrari is no exception, that modern compliance cars are really not as good/desirable as the cars they replace. Between the screen dash(which is a cheap not compliance issue) and the whole hybrid thing(partially compliance also paper numbers) suddenly the 296 is not selling backordered like its predecessors.

Plus in the nuclear arms race of ever more hybrid hp now the number needs to be a truly pointless +900 hp. The clever option then is to build a better more enjoyable more desirable car. While both Triumph and Ducati make supersort bikes, the real volume are the charismatic machines which have more than enough perforce, plus are simply a joy to look at and ride. Point is smart manufactures do both. Maybe Ferrari didn't care because they had the fashionista brand sales anyway, but times are a changing.

IMo the company currently making a raw beautiful to look at car is aston with the new vantage v8, the type of raw magic machine Ferrari used to make and something ferrari could execute multiples better.

 

You should put your 296 on a Dyno…

 

Or maybe some feature like a FXX K.

 

And to think that at least half of these V12 NA are going to the SUV/FUV.

 

Got an allocation for the VS. Reallt hoping they surprise us and take the EV stuff off.

 

I don't think dealers are able to take a check dated (or cc swipe dated) before the announce; how are they handling payment logistics? Is this more of a waitlist and a verbal 'we got you' than an actual allocation from ferrari corporate with corresponding deposit? Just curious as my understanding at this point is dealers still don't know what their number of allocations will be, and even the requirements have only reached them through rumor, not through official statements from corporate.


(and to be clear, im genuinely curious as to how the dealer has put this to you,.. not questioning your statement!)

 

Dealers are accepting deposits and know exactly how many theyre getting now. And yes theres a written contract too with the name of the car, or whatever they think itll be called, and what the requirements are.

 

Coupe is being allocated. Spider is done.

 

According to my europen dealer, nothing is allocated and no desposits are taken, if so, the dealer risks to loose his licence.

 

I hear the same, and I trust the folks at my dealer. Good people.

No doubt there are dealers taking money and offering allocations they have not yet officially received. Sounds like a fancy unofficial waitlist.

 

Some gets confirmation others not maybe. If you are TOP you know you have a heads up for spider deposit to be ready.