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2V GTSi Wiring Connector HELP NEEDED.

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  1. mwr4440

    mwr4440 Five Time F1 World Champ
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    All,

    Need wiring connector help with my 81 GTSi, 2V FI, all OEM.

    These parts do not exist in the 80's FI Parts Cats or Owner's Manuals. Totally omitted.

    Need to know what each one is and where to buy the connectors pictured.

    I've 'Googled' my fingers off to no real avail.

    Descriptions are below each photo.

    Any help in locating these items would be GREATLY Appreciated.

    A.
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    3-Spade: 2 vert, 1 horizontal. (Turn Signal w/Reverse Light).

    B.
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    Engine Mgnt Wiring Loom. Two on right open. Black mid-left does not open. Far left is a female connector for a 6.3mm spade.

    C.
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    Another view

    D.
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    Two female for spade connectors. Does not open. Eng Mgnt Loom.

    E.
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    Eng Mgnt Loom. There are 4 of these connectors. You see two. All 4 are the same. Need black rubber boot too. The other two are brown and black.

    F.
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    These connect the two Eng Mgnt Looms to the Main Wiring Harness in the engine bay, behind the driver (LHD), on the frame just forward of the oil cooler. Male pins (not spades) are in each 'tube.'


    Again,

    Anything you can do to help me get my hands on these would be GREATLY Appreciated.

    THANX in Advance.
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

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    #2 Steve Magnusson, Jul 31, 2021
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    For these:
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    Try internet searching using:
    Bosch 1287013003
    Bosch EV-1 connector or Bosch EV1 connector
    They may also be in the AMP Junior Timer Series of connectors.
    Search "827551-5" at the TE Connectivity website -- I think the drawing will show how the dash number sets the color (however, now getting the different colors may be difficult/impossible).

    This type:
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    I believe are AMP (now TE Connectivity) MATE-N-LOK style connectors. I buy mine at DigiKey, and the DigiKey website would be a good place to search also -- but the problem is finding a needle in a haystack ;). I'm 99.9% sure that that three spade taillight connector is also an AMP/TE connectivity connector series.
     
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  3. rjlloyd

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  8. mwr4440

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    Guys,

    A BIG THANX for all the Tips so far.

    They are HELPING A-LOT!!!!!

    :)
     
  9. mwr4440

    mwr4440 Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Any Idea what company

    'M.A.'

    might be?


    Been Googling and haven't found anything.

    Long GONE Outta Business perhaps?
     
  10. Jonny Law

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    Auto Electric Supplies (formally The Toolbox Shop) in the UK has always had the best selection and price I have found, and shipping from the UK can be cheaper then domestic.
    https://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/home

    MULTIPLE CONNECTORS
    https://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/7

    https://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/37/category/7


    Also, check out their switch section. You might find some familiar faces.
    SWITCHES
    https://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/category/34

    https://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/255
     
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  11. mwr4440

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    Paul,

    That is the AMP Jr Power Timer connection.

    Question:

    What sensors should I buy (assuming 3) but I am reading very conflicting data on what new parts from Magneti Marelli work in the 308 Series.

    There seems to be two different part numbers used, pending on .... engine number?


    Mine is a 1981 with a 'Build Date' of NOV 80.
     
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    #14 mwr4440, Aug 16, 2021
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    Paul,

    Thanx!!!!! :)

    Need 3 of them, correct?



    As you guys have guessed, I am reverse engineering my two engine management looms.

    I'll post a few things to help others out if they wish to do the same in a new thread a bit later in the process.

    Here is why I'm undertaking this effort:

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    Somebody cut and spliced a wire in there for some reason. It runs completely outside the Cavis Green Sleave/Shielding.


    Another:
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    Notice the burnt Grey wire where it enters the Cavis 'Green Sleave' is burnt as well.


    And from a 'spare loom' I managed to get my hands on after about 15 years of looking:
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    The Cavis sleeve is burnt COMPLETELY thru.



    And of course, there are mis-matches between the two looms and between them and the wiring diagrams in the '81 GTSi OMs. o_O :mad:

    Typical ...... :(
     
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  14. mwr4440

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    #15 mwr4440, Aug 16, 2021
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    Oh,

    On a parts website I read even these 'pickups' are scheduled for DISCONTINUATION by MM soon.

    You all might want to pick-up a few spares:

    https://m.motointegrator.de/artikel/304987-drehzahlsensor-motormanagement-magneti-marelli-064820083010?gclid=CjwKCAjwmeiIBhA6EiwA-uaeFeEmgx8KilaukI-OpkAjZyQBq0ksvDiIPmHOhLv-HX0Y4B7pzlP_0hoCB-UQAvD_BwE

    Just a thought.



    The connector end appears to be:

    An AMP Junior Power Timer Connector. Those can be had for less than $2.00 each sans the actual metal connectors.
     
  15. mwr4440

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    Ok Gents,

    Do these (SEN8D by MM) have an orientation to them in how they have to go into the bell housing surrounding the flywheel?

    On the new ones I just got for a song, not even including a dance, they had this green dot:

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    Any ideas?
     
  16. rjlloyd

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    No orientation, either way round will work just fine


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  17. mwr4440

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    Richard,

    Any idea on the green dot?
     
  18. rjlloyd

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    Not really , unless it’s a quality check dot, you know the kind of thing when somebody has checked to say it’s good to go when it’s manufactured. I don’t recall seeing a dot on the ones I’ve bought but there may have been.


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    Thanx!
     

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