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3/3/2006 Stradale Dyno numbers/pre Euro Tek

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  1. JGTCNSX

    JGTCNSX Formula Junior

    Nov 20, 2005
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    Nashville, TN
    I will post the dyno sheet here later. I wanted to post the numbers for you all. I did a base line dyno run (5) to get firm numbers before I do the EuroTek ECU mod's.

    My 2004 Stradale has 5700 miles on the clock, Tubi NGT, Hyper-Flow Cats.

    back to back 4th gear pulls recorded
    354.1 hp and 253.6 tq
    354.4 hp and 255.0 tq
    A/F was about 11.5-1

    The numbers are non corrected/actual, Wheel HP/TQ, with 60 deg temp, and 29.70 baro.

    So if we use the stock US crank HP and TQ numbers they are:
    409 hp
    275 tq

    So with that said, now we need to figure the real HP loss to wheels. Some say 15% some say 18%. So Here are the stock numbers with the loss:

    409x.85=348 RWHP 15%loss
    409x.82=335 RWHP 18%loss
    275x.85=234 RWTQ 15%loss
    275x.82=226 RWTQ 18%loss

    with 15% loss my Stradale has 6hp and 20ft pounds more than stock and with 18% loss 19hp and 29ft pounds more than stock.

    No matter what % you use, the Hyper Flow and Tubi show a gain in HP and TQ. How much is the real question. Sorry I did not have the chance to do a pre/post Tubi Hyper Flow dyno. I will get the chart up later tonight for todays runs. Monday I will send the CPU's off to Euro Tek and by late next week have the end results.

    Please correct me if I am doing the math problem wrong to figre RWHP.
     
  2. riverflyer

    riverflyer F1 Rookie

    Nov 26, 2003
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    Thanks for doing this. It is great to see some real numbers. I live in the hinterland so no dyno pulls and seat of the pants is my only option. I appreciate the hard numbers though and Eurotek will clean up here if the numbers are good.
     
  3. 575M-Nero

    575M-Nero Formula Junior

    Feb 25, 2006
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    Fairly Rich A/F.

    Is that common for Ferraris?
     
  4. JGTCNSX

    JGTCNSX Formula Junior

    Nov 20, 2005
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    Nashville, TN

    I was told that Ferrari runs them a bit rich. 11.5 is a bit to rich IMO. I think getting it to a mid to high 12 would be nice. I am sure there is a few HP to be found with a better A/F ratio.
     
  5. JGTCNSX

    JGTCNSX Formula Junior

    Nov 20, 2005
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    I can not seem to get the chart to post. If I can e-mail the chart to anyone feel free to pm me.
     
  6. luke9583

    luke9583 Formula 3

    Nov 8, 2003
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    Exactly what I was going to ask
     
  7. 575M-Nero

    575M-Nero Formula Junior

    Feb 25, 2006
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    ::bump::

    Any results post-Eurotek JGT?
     
  8. stephens

    stephens F1 Rookie
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    Forget about trying to calculate flywheel horsepower from rear wheel numbers. There are too many variables involved for this to be done with any accuracy.
    You also really need the corrected numbers and the dyno shop should be able to give you them. Unless your post Eurotek dyno run is done under the same atmospheric conditions they will not be directly comparable. Still a great result though.
     
  9. JGTCNSX

    JGTCNSX Formula Junior

    Nov 20, 2005
    279
    Nashville, TN
    Sorry kind of forgot about this post. You are right about trying to figure exact crank HP but it is a good reference point.
    Here are the pre/post corrected Dyno numbers. I still need to go and do another round of dyno runs. I may be able to do this this week.

    Stock WHP (est) 335HP 224TQ
    Eurotek, Tubi, Hyper flows 352HP 248.8

    Very nice feel, smooth, 9000rpm is so nice!
     
  10. ferrarilou

    ferrarilou Formula Junior

    Apr 13, 2004
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    Looks like a very nice improvement, but I just want to make sure I'm reading your Stock numbers correctly. In your first post, you showed
    uncorrected: 354HP 253ftlb Tq with Tubi & Hyperflo
    In your new post, you show
    corrected: 335HP 224ftlb Tq
    Is this second set of numbers still with Tubi & Hyperflo, such that this is just the atmospheric correction on the original numbers? Seems like quite a dramatic correction, but I don't have my old dyno sheets handy to see what the correction had been in my past cases. Was wondering if there was more built into the corrected numbers.

    Thanks.


    Lou
     
  11. FerrariF1

    FerrariF1 Formula Junior

    Apr 29, 2005
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    just wanted to know how much is euro tech computer? is high flow cat worth the price?

    how did cs sound just with ngt? was it loud enough? my 360 with just tubi(not ngt) wasn't loud enough for me.
     
  12. JGTCNSX

    JGTCNSX Formula Junior

    Nov 20, 2005
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    At the end of the day the E-tek was worth about 8-10 RWHP. Although this does not sound like much it is a dramatic change when you drive the CS.

    The hyper flow cat and E-tek CPU is well worth the money!

    The CS with NGT is loud enough for me and I like my cars loud!
    It sounds tuned and not obnoxious.
     
  13. JGTCNSX

    JGTCNSX Formula Junior

    Nov 20, 2005
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    Nashville, TN
    Yes the second set of numbers are with Tubi, NGT. You are correct that the corrected numbers are a big difference. This was due to high pressure and very cold on that day. To make things more compareable I did corrected nubers to corrected nubers. I will post all the nubers (corrected), est. stock, with cats and exhaust and then with E-Tek, cats, and exhaust later tonight.
     
  14. RossoCorsaItaly

    RossoCorsaItaly F1 Rookie
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    Look forward to seeing the results, we're dyno'ing our 360 next Monday for the stock pull and then we'll do the chip upgrade and do before and after.

    We'll be using a dynojet, just out of curiosity what type of dyno are you using?

    Regards,
    Kevin
     
  15. Hubert888

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    looks like your max torque numbers are MAD LOW
     
  16. JGTCNSX

    JGTCNSX Formula Junior

    Nov 20, 2005
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    How so? 275 crank is spec. I think 253 RWTQ is not mad low. That = ~309 crank TQ, 34 more than stock!
     
  17. Hubert888

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    u wrote this:

    Stock WHP (est) 335HP 224TQ
    Eurotek, Tubi, Hyper flows 352HP 248.8

    Im assuming ur torque number is 248.8 after the ecu upgrade
     
  18. JGTCNSX

    JGTCNSX Formula Junior

    Nov 20, 2005
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    Yes, 248.8 RWTQ after mods, 24 over stock to the wheels.
     
  19. 575M-Nero

    575M-Nero Formula Junior

    Feb 25, 2006
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    Hi Guys,

    No data to back this up, only SOTP.

    575 EuroTek program.

    Feels like a 20HP and 40TQ gain.
    Shifts are much crisper in sport mode, which I find nice.

    Purchase/delivery/customer support were top notch.
    Sorry no pre-post dyno. No time.
     
  20. Ftech1

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    As everyone said in order for this to be accurate the graphs must be SAE corrected. And you should have only done the ecu flash then a seperate day for the high flow cats. But as far as the cost to power gained ratio is this mod does not seem worth it.
     
  21. JGTCNSX

    JGTCNSX Formula Junior

    Nov 20, 2005
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    Nashville, TN
    My last nubers posted are SAE corrected. I did dyno the Hi Flow Cat and Tubi first then re-dyno after the CPU. Yes the cost to power ratio is high. Keep in mind there is no other way to get more HP out of the Stradale. At the end of the day 430HP and 309TQ is well worth it to me.
     
  22. bimmabimma

    bimmabimma Rookie

    Sep 25, 2005
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    The proper power loss on a mid engined Ferrari would be 15%. 17-18% is for front engine cars (applies to front engined Ferraris as well) with a drive shaft and differential and etc b/c there is more loss. BMW M's experience 17-18 (most probably 18 is most accurate number). For midenging transaxle cars such as Ferrari's and Lotus V8's and etc its right around 15%. For automatics u add roughly 2-3% typically. hope that helps.
     
  23. JGTCNSX

    JGTCNSX Formula Junior

    Nov 20, 2005
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    Nashville, TN
    From what I was told by a few Ferrari Race Team tech's that dyno their Challenge cars regularly, is to calculate 17-18% loss to the rear wheels with an F1 set up on a 360 challenge/CS. So I based my RWHP numbers as 18% loss. Regardless of the RWHP # the increase in HP #'s are the same.
     
  24. RichardCH

    RichardCH F1 Rookie
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    hmmm somewhat different from their claim of 30-40 HP, do I understand you correctly ???
     
  25. bostonmini

    bostonmini Formula 3

    Nov 8, 2003
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    any idea on a rear engined 911 tranny loss?
     

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