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3" Race Safety Harness (Sabelt or OMP)

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  1. Rothbauer_Racing

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    #1 Rothbauer_Racing, Mar 24, 2011
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    Has anyone installed a 3" Race Saftey Harness & Race Seats for Track Events? This could apply more towards the F355 Challenge car but, I am thinking of adding the system to my car for Track Days. It will be a bit of work to add and remove as It will be for track days only and not for every day driving.

    My question is does the F355 have the mounts already in place to just add the eye bolt and plates or do these have to be welded in? I know holes in the carpet might have to be made.

    Any pics of how it would mount would be helpful.
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  2. fatbillybob

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    #2 fatbillybob, Mar 24, 2011
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    #7 must be welded in from the kit or homemade and welded in. I've done this before but it does require removing some of the back leather shelf for access to weld then poking a hole through the leather or leaving that panel off for the shoulder anchors. Oh floor plates can be sandwiched and not welded but me personally would reinforce the floor. Any place you put a floor anchor that dents if you lift the car there with your floor jack is too weak IMO. But people do it all the time. 3000lbs is only 20g's for a 150lb man. 20g's is a 35mph crash delta. 50g's crash delta is 45mph. racecars with data aquisition have recorded very surviveable 100 G crashes so you see where I'm going with this. Some would argue 150lb guy divided by 5 pt harness = 30 therefore 3000lbs without deformation is 100G's. equal division don't exactly work but you can see that one would want any single anchor point to be able to survive 3000lbs force or the weight of the car. Since my physics is not good I tend to overbuild.
     
  3. grigio tr

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    My car came with a harness bar which bolts to the rear fire wall then the eye bolts are fitted to that.Dont know where you might get one from but i think mine was supplied with the roll cage.
     
  4. Rothbauer_Racing

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    #4 Rothbauer_Racing, Mar 28, 2011
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    Not many pics or info out there unless you have access to an actual F355 Challenge car. I did find a pic showing the safety harness mounted to the back fire wall thru the leather interior which would require Item #7 (Eye Bolt Plate) to be welded in as per FATBILLYBOB.

    Now I need to find the actual F355 Challenge Manual that shows the required mounting distance and or measure from an F355 Challenge Car.
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  5. mad dog

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    Quite a few of us use a bar behind the seats that has arms on it onto the original upper seat belt mounts. Ill try to remember to take a pic. its supplied here by qv and fits 348 and 355. quite heavy but no trouble passing scrutineering. I then use reinforced floor anchors. what always surprised me was the belt anchors onto the seat itself that is then held in by very small bolts. Im sure it passed some sort of test, well assume it did, but would prefer making own if keeping original seats.

    Just thought us belts very different so none of this may make sense! some have managed system that keeps both new harness and old belts for use of use on the road. as i've removed airbag steering wheel i prefer harness all the time.
     
  6. Bullfighter

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    If you're running a roll bar in a road car, make sure you have your helmet on. Otherwise you may get a roll bar-shaped dent in your skull when some idiot rolls into you from behind.
     
  7. fatbillybob

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    Not more of a problem than anything already padded in your car to hit. There is metal under all that padding on your A and B piller etc. Additionally this is for that exact issue for dual use cars.

    http://www.apexperformance.net/CartGenie/prod-1603.htm
     
  8. fatbillybob

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    No do that custom. The challenge application is quite out of date regarding modern racecar safety systems. For example there is not ferrari spec for shoulder anchor placement and HANS use. Once you use a 5+ point harness some kind of head and neck restraint should be used. If you use HANS there are specific FIA and Scroth Harness rules for anchor mounting or the old general HANS rule that puts belt centers about 3" apart. Different harness types use different anchor locations for HANS as an example. 99% of HNR add about 1"-2" to your shoulder height which effects proper anchor placement. If you are smart about doing this you buy your seat first and position it. And you buy the harness you are going to use and follow those or HANS instructions if you use HANS for posterior anchor mounts. Improper mounting can make HNR fail to protect you even if they feel fine when in a static position.
     
  9. Rothbauer_Racing

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    #9 Rothbauer_Racing, Mar 29, 2011
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    Well currently I only plan on doing Track Events & DE's, no serious racing with side by side type events which require stricter rules (FIA). I'm not turning my F355 into a Challenge Car. I'm just looking for a way to enjoy the feel of a street car on the track with while adding some character from a track car (F355 Challenge), none of these things I plan on doing are truly required for Track Events or DE's, just an extension to safety and performance. If I can find some Challenge wheels at a decent price that's an added bonus!

    As for seats I plan on getting some Sabelt or Sparco and or OMP but, again the plan is not to meet any racing regulations just having fun being more safe.
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  10. grigio tr

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  11. Rothbauer_Racing

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    #11 Rothbauer_Racing, Mar 31, 2011
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    Hard to tell how that bar attaches to the rear fire wall? I do see a hole on each end so, I assume it bolts to an existing seatbelt hole or you have to have one made. With that said it would hold the bar in place.

    I did find another F355 Challenge car interior with the eye bolts going thur the rear leather covering the fire wall where the mount is welded.
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    #12 fatbillybob, Mar 31, 2011
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    My 348 racecar saw several iterations over its life from a streetcar to challenge car to full no interior racecar. Here is a pic of where to mount the homemade challenge type shoulder anchors. Then the anchor plate I welded up. I thickened then threaded the plate and welded nuts behind it too...total overkill. I still have one of those plates sitting around my garage somewhere if you are too lazy to make one. Ferrari had those threads for the eyebolt exposed like a threaded cylinder welded on their weldable plates which stick out on a streetcar with the fascia in place. The car's mount location is on that square boxed piece you see in the picture. So you can drill it for the nut clearance so my plate sits flat and weld a plate to the box form so it is relatively flush with just the Eye bolt sticking out. You can then put in the fascia and when you remove your eyebolts you can put a plug over the fascia and hide the hole. Voila, back to instant streetcar.
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