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  1. GT4 Joe

    GT4 Joe Formula Junior

    Oct 19, 2010
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    I have some misc. Veglia clock carcasses and parts if anyone is interested.
     
  2. Martin308GTB

    Martin308GTB F1 Rookie
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    Hi John,

    I also removed the bezel almost exactly like you described in your earlier post. But in addition I made a simple support tool like shown in post #8 ( the turned aluminium part )
    It helps protecting the bezel, expecially when reassembling and bending back.
    BTW, if noone mentioned it so far. IIRC the clock glasses from Verell do not have a hole for the time setting stem, but a slot. What means, that one does not have to remove the knob while replacing the glass. Of course the old one has to be destroyed at the hole, if one want to avoid pulling the time setting knob.
    If I'm wrong please someone correct me. I cannot find a picture of the glass.

    Best Regards
    Martin
     
  3. 455Fosbery

    455Fosbery Karting

    Oct 3, 2013
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    Hi Martin,

    I may need your help/advice when I go to re-assemble everything. The last thing I want to do is to damage the Chrome Bezel... As such, I may ask that you send me the turned Al part (if you still have it) to assist in this along with the LED light for the hand brake!

    Seriously here... Let me know if you have this. Once I'm finished, I'll send it back...

    Additionally, I think that you are correct in the slot versus hole of the glass replacement.

    Best,

    John.
     
  4. mwr4440

    mwr4440 Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Martin,

    You are correct at least for the glass available from Crowndog (Verell?).
     
  5. Crowndog

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    Jul 16, 2011
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    No, turned over to Unobtainium Supplies


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  6. Verell

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    #56 Verell, Jan 27, 2016
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  7. jmaienza

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    #57 jmaienza, Jan 27, 2016
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    I found the best way to support the clock was to find a piece of PVC plumbing pipe parts. I take my clock down to the hardware store and see what fits. Most of the time, a PVC connector or reducer fits the bill. Also use some masking tape on the edge of the black ring to protect against scratches.

    I modified a jeweler's screwdriver by filing the tip a bit sharper and filing the bottom edge at an angle, so when used, it fits in the groove and can be used like a pry bar to spread the chrome bezel apart from the plastic. When I went to fit the bezel back on, if it was tight I used some padded pliers to straighten it out just enough to allow it to fit over the parts. I then supported the front of the bezel on my PVC pipe and started to fold over the bezel. A screw driver tip works well as a flat surface, but be gentle and careful. if the chrome gets marked up on this side it will not be seen once installed.
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  8. Labman

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    Jun 25, 2010
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    My clock glass is foggy. How does the clock come out of the console?
     
  9. 455Fosbery

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    Oct 3, 2013
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    Hi Labman,

    Depending on your specific configuration, the clock will be mounted on the center console onto a piece that is fairly easily removed. You do this by removing the two small screws that secure it and then working the piece gently out of the console.

    Once you have it out, you will be able to see how the clock is held in... There are two knurled nuts that you unscrew to release the clock from the 'U' shaped retaining bracket (see the second photograph in Post 32).

    The hard part in this exercise will be to remove the plastic lens! If you review this thread, you will be able to see what is involved to actually get to the lens itself.

    Good luck to you in this...

    Best,

    John.
     
  10. robo330

    robo330 Formula Junior

    Apr 15, 2014
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    I have just had my clock re-done by D&M Restorations in Greenville, SC. Ask for Mike Freeman. He did a great job on 2 clocks and very reasonably priced as well. One eight hundred seven two two zero eight five four.
     
  11. Crowndog

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    Just FYI. I have had good success using a different method of re-affixing the setting gear to the stem.
    The stem actually has a flat spot on it where the gear was originally set at. Pushing and pulling on the stem over the years transfers pressure on the gear eventually loosening it on the shaft. So after you have taken the setting knob off, removed the bezels and have the shaft and gear out.....
    Mark the stem with a felt tip where you want the bottom of the gear to be. (This will be the point on the stem with the flat spot). While centering the gear on the flat spot, thus aligned with your mark, holding it with a needle nose pliers, heat the stem with a butane lighter. Using good judgement and feel you will be able to feel the gear begin to melt into the flat spot. Immediately remove heat and blow on the gear to cool and set. Done.


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  12. offtheworkigo

    offtheworkigo Karting

    Feb 23, 2016
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    My clock keeps good time but I can't change the time. Must be that gear thing. All my gauges have the green tint but the clock. Its whitish yellow. I can see it looks like its been apart. I'm thinking they didn't put the green ring back in mine. Would this be a good guess. Anybody have the green ring if I find that's the problem? Joe Williams (GT4JOE) I lived in San Juan Capistrano in the mid to late 70's. Loved it there. Loved Dana Point, went to Dana Hills High. My dad had the Mission Inn Motel at Ortega Hwy and Hwy 5. I understand by my friends that the motel is gone.
     
  13. 455Fosbery

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    Oct 3, 2013
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    If you have a close look at the clock, you will be able to see if the color ring is there or not. Hint: Look at the two black screw heads on either side as they 'back into' indentations in the color ring. See the other photos posted in this thread for what this should look like...

    If it is indeed missing, you may want to contact the people that refurb these to see if they will sell you one of the color rings.

    With respect to the gear, although I did not have this specific problem, the bit that engages the gears to change/set the time seems to be a failure many have had. Unless you send the entire unit out for repair, you will have to take it apart to see what's going on. Most likely the gear has come loose from the stem (or may be broken altogether). Once you get into it you will likely see what the problem is...
     
  14. offtheworkigo

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    #64 offtheworkigo, Apr 23, 2016
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    I have taken the clock apart. It came apart pretty easy since it has been apart before. The gear on the stem spins pretty easy. The gear is ok. So I must epoxy the gear on or melt it on like Robert did. But my green ring is missing. Why someone remove it is beyond me. I have one very large box and many small boxes given to me when I purchased the car with mostly old parts that have been remove. I will check their first. I may get lucky and find it. Here are few pictures of the car show I went to today. The first photo is my car.
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  15. GT4 Joe

    GT4 Joe Formula Junior

    Oct 19, 2010
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    OK, I'll open my box of Veglia clock parts and see what I have, but when rebuilding mine, I don't recall a "green ring". But then, I can't remember what I had for breakfast either :).
     
  16. 455Fosbery

    455Fosbery Karting

    Oct 3, 2013
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    In the event that you cannot locate the correct 'color ring', looking at posts 38 and 44 you may be able to come up with something creative that will yield the correct color for the illumination...

    If you look at the various pictures in this thread (and also your clock once it has been removed and disassembled), you will see that there is a gap between the plastic body of the clock and the clock face. All that needs to happen is for the light coming through that gap to be filtered to the proper color. This could be accomplished using a tinted and translucent O-ring of the right dimensions if one could be found.

    Google will be your friend here... Investing less than a minute (to satisfy my own curiosity), I came up with this:

    https://www.oringsusa.com/html/o-rings.html

    If you could source a translucent O-ring with the right color, diameter, thickness, cross section, etc. then whittle it to get the right final shape (including indentations for the screws if needs be), then "Robert's your father's brother"...

    A bit involved, I know, but possibly a path forward if you can't find an original...
     
  17. offtheworkigo

    offtheworkigo Karting

    Feb 23, 2016
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    I just check all the parts I got with the car and no green ring for the clock. I though the gear for changing the time was just slipping on the shaft but checking it with a magnifying glass it is cracked. So I need a new glass, gear and the green ring if anybody has them. I know I should be able to get the glass from Unobtainium Supply Co. Thanks Dave
     
  18. robo330

    robo330 Formula Junior

    Apr 15, 2014
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    I have just had 2 clocks re-built by Mike Freeman of D&M Restorations, Greenville, SC. Great work and quite reasonably priced. Maybe someone else has used them too...?
     
  19. offtheworkigo

    offtheworkigo Karting

    Feb 23, 2016
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    I called Mike at D&M was very nice. He doesn't have a greenish blue ring for the clock. GJ4JOE any luck finding anything in your spare clock parts? I have a glass coming.
     
  20. GT4 Joe

    GT4 Joe Formula Junior

    Oct 19, 2010
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    I pulled the box out but haven't opened it yet. I'll check tonight. I saw the pic of the part you need, and I'm sure I put it back in my clock, but I had a Fiat 124 unit I used for parts so maybe....
     
  21. GT4 Joe

    GT4 Joe Formula Junior

    Oct 19, 2010
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    Joe Williams
    Got your part, PM me.
     
  22. offtheworkigo

    offtheworkigo Karting

    Feb 23, 2016
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    #72 offtheworkigo, Apr 27, 2016
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  23. robo330

    robo330 Formula Junior

    Apr 15, 2014
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    I have a spare clock that I just got rebuilt with my original clock. If someone is looking for one, let me know. Only difference is my '85 QV clock has a chrome and black bezel. This spare clock has a black bezel. Has new glass and been re-built as well. Plugged it in and it seems to keep perfect time.
     
  24. offtheworkigo

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    Feb 23, 2016
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    Thanks for the post. Another on this forum is already sending what I need. I will keep you in mind if things don't work out.
     
  25. robo330

    robo330 Formula Junior

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    #75 robo330, Jun 21, 2016
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