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308 GT4 - Battery and Filter

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  1. dyerhaus

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    Looking at past threads on batteries and oil filters, found some interesting info… but it seems those threads were 10+ years old (unless I just missed more current threads - my "search" skills aren't the best).

    I'm looking to see what owners recommend for a 308 GT4 in regards to battery and oil filter.

    For the oil filter, it seems pretty unanimous that the Baldwin B253 is the way to go. Is that still the case? Are there any good alternatives? My car currently has a "UFI" filter installed (never heard of it), so is that something I should be concerned about?
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    For the battery, I had always heard Optima Redtop 34… but that seems widely contested these days, a 50/50 split as to whether or not they suck. My car currently has an Interstate "Mega-Tron II" battery in it (no idea how old it is as it wasn't marked). I like the idea of the Redop (sealed and won't leak), so if that's not a good option anymore, is there something similar?
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    Side note on the battery; in photos I've seen of other cars, it seems the nut holding the battery bracket in place is just a regular nut. My car has this really tall one… is that normal?
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  2. miketuason

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    Christopher, for the oil filter, is yes, the Baldwin B253 is still the case and the UFI filter is what Ferrari suply and use for the 3x8
     
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  3. bitsobrits

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    The tall battery nut is, I believe, the original fitment. It's shown as such in the parts list for the early GTB cars at least.
     
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  4. dyerhaus

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    Ah, it sure is! Didn't think about that. Just looked it up in the 308 GT4 parts manual, sure enough, a nice tall one is shown.
     
  5. Steve Magnusson

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    If your UFI oil filter isn't leaking there is no reason to worry about it. If you are buying a new UFI oil filter make sure it is either the ...00 or ...02 (the ...01 has a bad design that can cause the sealing gasket to leak). Either the Baldwin or one of the "good" UFI is OK IMO, and I'd buy whichever is cheaper depending on where you are on the planet:

    Baldwin B253 = good
    UFI 23 162 00 = good
    UFI 23 162 01 = bad gasket seat design (that can tear the gasket during installation)
    UFI 23 162 02 = good

    (Just adding the UFI numbers without the spaces for searching: 2316200, 2316201, 2316202)
     
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  6. miked

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    dyerhaus, regarding filters, I'll echo what has already been said. Many years ago UFI redesigned their oil filter and soon after this forum erupted with reports of gaskets being spit out causing massive oil leaks. To their credit UFI fixed the problem and issued a new part # for the "re-redesigned" filter (UFI 23 162 02).

    I always use a Baldwin B253, easy to come by at a good price especially if bought in quantity. Look to online sellers usually servicing the trucking and construction equipment industry. My last filter purchase was from Zoro (discount division of Grainger) when they ran a large discount code special they even had the air filters (Baldwin PA2094) as well. The Baldwin like the UFI has a standpipe inside which helps the filter retain the oil when the engine is stopped rather than let it drain back into the sump. Many manufacturers have filters that fit the 308/328 engine, few have a standpipe in their product. My 1957 Oliver tractor, who's filter is also upside down, incorporates a standpipe as well.

    Don't forget your fuel filter. Ferrari used 2 types on the carbed 308, to get the proper one you will have to determine which your car is equipped with. It's easy, the manufacturers name is embossed on the housing. For Baldwin fuel filters FISPA type = PF834, FIAMM type = PF866. The filters do not interchange, the PF834 is 108mm tall, the PF866 is 75mm tall.
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  7. dyerhaus

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    Good to know, mine is UFI 23 162 02.

    Actually, that's something I've been meaning to look into, sadly I'm still not 100% familiar with this car. Where can I find the fuel filter? Interestingly, the parts manual only notes the FISPA filter, so I'm curious to see what may actually be there.
     
  8. dyerhaus

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    I think I'm good on oil filters… any thoughts on Battery?
     
  9. Steve Magnusson

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    You'll get a mixed bag on that. I had a bad short-life experience with an (expensive) Optima Red Top, and won't ever buy another. I've gone back to moderate-performance, conventional lead-acid as the best value (high-performance lead-acid batteries can have short-life issues, too).
     
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  10. dyerhaus

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    miked Note: When I said "Where can I find the fuel filter?" - I meant, where can I physically find it on the car? (I realized after the fact it mind sound as if I was asking where could I find one to buy, which isn't what I meant.) Is it underneath near the middle? It's impossible to tell in the parts manual. :)
     
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  12. greyboxer

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    It depends on how you use your car - if the battery is disconnected when car is not in use then just get any decent regular battery (such as in your day to day cars) similar to current fitment - it should last years then in five years or whatever you won't begrudge the cost of replacing it
     
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  13. dyerhaus

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    I use my car fairly regularly, perhaps once a week… I don't bother disconnecting the battery. I have a tender, so if I know it's going to sit for a long time, then I'll hook that up to it. But, for me, a long time with no use means three to four weeks! Haha

    I'd just like to get something that doesn't have the potential to leak. Unfortunately, I've had that happen in an old 240Z that I used to own. It was a mess.
     
  14. xpensivewino

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    For what it’s worth, I swear by interstate batteries. Yes there’s all this optima and anti gravity, anti matter, mumbo jumbo, but I’ve run interstates in all my collector cars for 25 plus years and never had a single issue or leak. Keep them properly charged, and they’ll serve you well. I also take great care in prepping the battery box area with good acid proof padding in the case of a leak. If the battery calls for venting, then be sure to follow that process as well.
     
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  15. dyerhaus

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    I've definitely discovered that my entire engine compartment needs a serious cleaning. Fortunately, that is something I'm going to address as there's a number of hoses and what not I plan to replace soon. Anyway, I *think* this is a FISPA, but can't be certain due to all the gunk. Maybe I'll try cleaning it off later today and see if I can read any brand name on the top.

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  16. dyerhaus

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    Okay, dusted it off a bit and was clearly able to identify it as FISPA. Now just need to find a filter for it!

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    And, holy smokes, battery prices are high! I guess I haven't bought a battery for a car in a looooooooong time, but I did not expect an Interstate battery to be $350! This is the only battery that shows up when searching by car (1975 Ferrari Dino 308 GT4). Optima Redtop 34 is almost $100 cheaper, and there's others way more expensive than the Interstate. What am I do wrong in searching for a battery?? No problem paying that if it's the best option, but that just seems crazy. Any other recommendations… like specific brands/model numbers? This could be a long search!

    Screen shots of my findings:

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  17. Steve Magnusson

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    That's an AGM battery (i.e., expensive), not a conventional lead-acid battery (but battery prices, like everything, are up). Go to your local autoparts store website and search on "34R battery" for more sane options.
     
  18. dyerhaus

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    Yes, I do see cheaper batteries when just browsing all, but for some reason when I search for batteries that fit my car, that's all that comes up. For Interstate, that's literally the ONLY option that shows up. Must be the Ferrari tax.
     
  19. Steve Magnusson

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    You have a moderate displacement, moderate compression engine (not a high-compression big block) = you don't need 800 CCA. Any 34R battery is way more than you need IMO.
     
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  20. jmaienza

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    Fuel Filter

    I have a similar setup for the fuel filter. I ordered one from ricambiamerica.com

    It is a cartridge filter with a rubber gasket that fits into the top housing.

    To install, pinch off the hose from the tank and the other one to the fuel pump. Put a bucket under the pump. Loosen the top center screw and the black round container will come down. It will be filled with fuel up to the top. Empty it out. Now you can lift out the filter cartridge and remove the black gasket inside a grove on the silver top mounting plate. Insert the new gasket. To seat it, I use the black base to push up the gasket into the groove. The cartridge filter has a large spring, permanently attached to the bottom. However there is a smaller spring with a rubber washer that rests on the bottom. You have to reuse this. It’s a little tough to push up the black container against the spring pressure and get the bolt started. Once started just tighten it up.

    Battery

    I’ve used Interstate batteries with good luck. You can save some money by going to an Interstate distributor. Call ahead with the battery you want. They often have “like new” batteries that they can’t sell as new. They usually will test them for amperage rating. The many I have bought are usually at least 90% of capacity. They are also much cheaper.
     
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  21. dyerhaus

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    FYI:

    I stumbled across this thread from 2007… it would appear that the Baldwin PF834 filter element is not correct for the FISPA filter:

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/308-fispa-filter-baldwin-pf834-does-not-match.152334/

    Apparently Baldwin doesn't make a filter that matches. When I go to Baldwin's website, and enter in the UFI number for cross reference, it indeed shows PF834 as an equal match. However, it's pretty clear looking at the filter on their site, and looking at the pictures in post #1 of the above mentioned thread, that this is not correct.

    Additionally, when I enter in my car information on Baldwin's site, the only filters it returns are Air and Oil filter. No fuel filters.

    Does anyone know of a proper filter element that will work? UFI 26.617.00 is proving a little difficult to find in the US at a reasonable cost.
     
  22. jmaienza

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    I ordered from Ricamblamerica.com. They sent a UFI unit for my 1978 308 GTS. Cost was $35.


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  23. Pero

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    Superformance have fuel filters for GT4 and other models.
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  24. ferrariowner

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    Don't rule out Walmart, Sams Club or Costco for batteries.
     
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  25. s219

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    I don't think you need to get fancy with batteries -- any modern brand name battery will last many years as long as it's used regularly or put on a maintainer when not in use. I have a lot of cars and equipment, and have been averaging 7-9 years out of basic lead-acid batteries.

    Interstate is a very good battery. We used to have a bait shop in town that was a dealer for them, and I bought numerous batteries there over the years. All have been rock solid. The two Interstates in my boat are going on 7 years old now. I was pleased to see an Interstate battery in my 328 when I got it last year.

    What sucks lately are OEM batteries on many modern cars and trucks. Lucky to get 3-4 years out of those it seems. In recent years, I've had GMC, Honda, and Subaru OEM batteries crap out early (sometimes within the basic 3/36 warranty, so at least the replacements are free). The batteries in my BMWs have been OK though (which is good, because they are unique to BMW and big $$$).
     
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