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308 GT4 on seven (six) cylinders..

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by Jeremy.Jennings, Oct 3, 2006.

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  1. Jeremy.Jennings

    Jul 27, 2005
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    Brussels, Belgium
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    Jeremy Jennings
    Can someone put me out of my misery? Please?

    I've got a beautiful GT4 Series 1 (Reg 004171 as shown in Keith Bluemel's book) but it keeps reverting to 7/6 cylinders. Plugs were all changed and new leads fitted. That worked for about two weeks and the problem returned. Engine out, all gaskets replaced, carbs cleaned, special modification to stop water trickling down into the plug seats and engine then reinstalled. Great. Two weeks later, we're down to 7 cylinders again.

    I'm about to replace the ignition (it's a twin distributor version) with a Dinoplex Electronic Ignition (if the garage can find space...).

    Garage say two of the plugs are u/s. I'm sure they are, now, but I can't believe that's the problem, more likely a symptom. And it's always cylinders 7 and 8 that stop working.

    Has anyone else had this problem with a GT4 and how did you fix it????

    Thanks (please....)
     
  2. tomoshea

    tomoshea Formula Junior

    Dec 29, 2003
    541
    Ireland
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    Tom O'Shea
    I had the same problem with cylinders 1 and 8.

    This is a long shot but it turned out to be something quite simple in my case

    I replaced all of the black collar rubber seals that go around the lead extensions and that sit over the lip for the plug holes on the heads.

    the new black rubber seales were far more elastic than the old ones and over time even though there was no appanrent difference when you looked into the engine bay the new black rubber had actually pushed the extensions fractionally up off the spark plug so there was not a proper spark going to the plug.

    For me it just required moving the black rubber seal back long the extension so it was not exerting as much pressure on the extension/ lip.

    problem solved

    Obvious point but see when you remove the lead form the difficult cylinder will it spark againt the head directly. If it does then your problem has got to be the plug.

    If it does not spark the the problem is teh extension, the lead or the distributor. Its an easy process of elimintaion to remove them one by one and check if they spark!
     
  3. maurice70

    maurice70 F1 Rookie

    Jan 25, 2004
    4,334
    Sydney
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    Same here.I have replaced leads,plugs,extenders and have gone for a Crane electronic ignition set up.Now I have Iridium plugs and haven't fouled a plug since.I pulled the plugs the other day and found some were sooty.I'll probably have to adjust the A/F mixture on those cylinders.Also what jet sizes are you running?I'm currently running 50 idles,130 mains and 220 emulsion.I have tried various other jet set ups and this seems to work best for me.I'm not sure about the Dinoplex.You probably might want to go with something more modern.
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2001
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    What heat range plug are you running now? I'd second maurice's suggestion to try one of the small center electrode (less than 1 mm diameter) technologies (either Platinum or Iridium in the Denso or NGK brands), but, unless you're really pushing the engine for extended time at high output, I think the concensus here is to also go up at least 2 heat ranges from the early stock 308 heat range spec. (My data point is going from the standard 2mm plug technology to the NGK Platinum BP6EVX extended the fouling interval from just several hundred miles to 5~10K miles).

    Your description of "carbs cleaned" would imply a very significant amount of carb work/verification and that the Mechanic reported no trouble (or difference) in tweaking up 7 & 8 versus the other cylinders (for example, all mixture screws out roughly the same amounts) -- is this the case?

    One thing to check is that the choke function on the 7&8 carb is working properly:

    1. that the exterior linkage goes to the full rest position when closed, and

    2. that the choke spools inside the carb are well-seated (although if these are "stuck" open, I'd think that your Mechanic would have reported some difference/difficulty in tweaking up those two cylinders mixture-wise).
     
  5. Jeremy.Jennings

    Jul 27, 2005
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    Brussels, Belgium
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    Jeremy Jennings
    Thanks, everyone. Really helpful. On the carbs, I actually picked up four new Weber 40 DCNFs in the USA. Unfortunately, these were 40 DCNF 12s, not 40 DCNF 35, 36, 37 and 38 - linkages were different as were the air intakes. Old carbs were removed and left in solvent for 72 hours but no other work was undertaken. That's a project for another day.

    Thanks again; I'll let you know how things turn out.
     
  6. bill308

    bill308 Formula 3
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    May 13, 2001
    1,224
    Windsor, CT
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    Bill Sebestyen
    Is this a problem at idle or throughout the rev range?

    If at idle, check whether the 7-8 carb is flowing enought air to support combustion. If it is too low, the plugs will simply not fire on the these banks. Try increasing the throttle for the affected cylinders and re-adjusting the mixture.

    Bill
     

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