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308 GTB feels "dead" in steering, normal?

Discussion in '308/328' started by Magnus, Aug 25, 2006.

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  1. Magnus

    Magnus Rookie

    Aug 22, 2006
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    Trying to realize my dream of owning a 308 GTB. I´ve found a very nice example, a 1982 GTBi converted to carburettors, using only Ferrari genuine parts. It seems to be in a very good condition and I got to taking it for a test drive last night. I found the steering wheel to feel quite "dead" in the centre at about 60 mph, at least compared to my Caterham Super Seven. The car has only 40000 km on the odometer so it seems strange that the steering rack would be very worn. The rod ends also seems to be in good condition. Any suggestions?
     
  2. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    compared to a Caterham it would feel like that
     
  3. Artvonne

    Artvonne F1 Veteran

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    I guess I dont know what you mean by "dead". Do you mean that the car does not respond to steering input very fast in the center position? Does the car drive fine otherwise? I dont have a lot of "stick time" yet myself, but my recollection is that this would be/is normal. You really dont want a high speed car that is twichy to the slightest steering input.

    But another question should be if you are having the car inspected by anyone. I see this is your first post. It is good you came here to ask questions before plunging in with both feet. The other thing you should be careful of is buying a modified car. Unless it is a good deal cheaper than ANY non modified car, I would keep looking. The early injected cars were the slowest cars, so many of these cars have had modifications done. But being a Ferrari, most modifications cheapen the car rather than raise its value. Sure, there are those who have done mods who will say different, but wait until its thier money to spend and suddenly the shoe is on the other foot. From what you are describing, if the car were red and virtually perfect in every way with reciepts and some recording of what exactly was removed and replaced and how it was setup, maybe its worth $20K. Might have been worth $30K if it were all original. And would probably cost you $10K to put it back like its supposed to be if you paid to have it done. Unless the owner is willing to give the car away I would go looking for a real carbed car if that is what you want.
     
  4. Birdman

    Birdman F1 Veteran

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    My impression of the GTB steering is that it is very crisp and responsive. Much nicer than any other car I have owned or driven. Then again, I have never driven a 7, so I have no comparison there.

    Birdman
     
  5. Ken

    Ken F1 World Champ

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    A 7 drives like my Europa: it's wildly quick and responsive because the cars are so light. Not much short of a race car will feel the same. But a 308 should be quite precise too. You should try and drive more examples so you can see the range. No two cars drive exactly the same even if they're the same model. Just a thought: the tires may need some air. Low pressure will make the car seem sluggish in quick manuvers.

    Ken
     
  6. Magnus

    Magnus Rookie

    Aug 22, 2006
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    Thank you guys for all of your input! This site is really a wonderful experience if you, like me, is an inexperienced Ferrari-enthusiast.

    I live in Sweden (you know, polarbears in the streets and tall, blonde women) and the market for older F-cars is really small. I guess there is less than 50 different 308s in total in the whole country. Sure, if you like the newer models it would be no problem. There is a lot of 355s, 360s and so on for sale, but a 308 is very rare.

    The majority of this older cars never seems to be up for sale and the ones that are, are often exported to Germany and other countries within EU. This has to do with the weakness of the swedish currency, making the cars cheap for foreigners, and the fact that these old cars often are in a very good condition since they are only driven during the short summer period. Of course I could go to Germany, France or Switzerland but you know about the problem of looking at 25 year old cars, the seller´s opinion about the condition of the car often being "a tad wrong" compared to the actual condtion. This is really an issue when you have to travel maybe 1500 kilometers and spending serveral days to check out ONE car!

    The car that I´ve got my eyes on is a 1982 GTBi, converted to carb. spec. during an exstensive restoration made by the previous owner. Everything is documented with receipts, photos and written documentation. Every part for the injection system has been kept and will be delivered along with car. The car has had a 5K USD respray (red) from a certfied, swedish F-car dealership. It has new 16 inch wheels (Speedline Ferrari look-alikes, from Super-perfomance I believe and the old TRX´s are also in perfect condition), new suspension bushings, springs, KONI-dampers, brake discs and pads, new clutch kit, new brake lines, new water and petrol hoses, new exhaust system. The engine has been totally dismantled but was in very good condition and needed no work and then painted and put together again with all new gaskets, timing belts and rollers and waterpump. It really looks like a new car on the outside and on the underside as well, totally clean. The beige interior is also very good, except from a bit of wear in the driver seat.

    It doesn´t really bother me that the car in not original since all the original parts are accounted for and are also in a good condition. As I see it, it could quite easily be put back to its original spec, but the sound of those four Weber 40s make me wonder why anyone would :)

    Please comment!!

    Best regards and many thanks from Magnus in Sweden!
     
  7. geekstreet

    geekstreet Karting

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    First determine if there is excessive free-play in the steering linkage.

    If you can turn the steering wheel rim by more than say 1cm (1/2") with only very light pressure, the car could benefit from having it's steering components checked out. Slackness can come from the steering col uni-joints (2), worn shaft splines at the bottom, the rack + pinion teeth, rack end-bushing, the tie rods and/or the rack mounts (have I forgotten something?).

    If the free-play is only minimal (hopefully the case), then you should check:
    1. suspension alignment (toe-in/out, camber & castor can all affect steering response from straight-ahead)
    2. tyre pressures
    3. tyre model & condition (some tyres turn-in sharper than others).

    From my exp I'd say that you should expect good response from moving the steering wheel at decent speed, less so at say < 40kph, but definitely not as good as a Lotus. The Ferrari is a LOT heavier and longer, with much greater polar moment of inertia, and is much more setup for high-speed stability than any Lotus!! This results in a sig reduction in initial steering response in comparison.
     

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