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308 GTS (79) Non starting and no dash lights

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  1. James Speechley

    Nov 26, 2020
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    James Speechley
    Hi,
    I'm looking for some advice please, I've been trying to get a friends 308 GTS 1979 running again. He had a slight misfire on one cylinder so decided to change all of the spark plugs and HT leads. However he replaced the leads back on the distributor in the wrong firing order and the car wouldn't run. I have corrected the lead positions on the distributor according to the owners manual but it still will not fire up. I have reverted back to the old spark plugs and leads, we definitely have a good spark, and fuel but the car will not start.
    Secondly I've noticed the ignition light and oil light on the dash is no longer illuminating either. I've checked all the fuses and the relays and all appear to be ok and working as they should.

    The vehicle has 2 x coils and 1x distributor and is the carb model if this helps?

    Does anyone have any ideas what could be causing the problem? any help or guidance would be hugely appreciated, thanks
     
  2. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    What happens if you take a fuel line off a carb and run the fuel pump, can you get fuel in a jar ?
    Also do you have a 12 volt feed at the coils
    With no oil or ignition light it might be the keyswitch, but odd that you have sparks with out these lights
     
  3. yelcab

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    1. Try to see if you can get a spark from the ignition wires.
    2. See if you get fuel from the fuel pump.
    3. Ascertain compression at the cylinder
    4. See if the ignition static timing is correct.

    After all that, it's got a fire.
     
  4. James Speechley

    Nov 26, 2020
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    Hi thanks for the reply, I will check the flow of fuel into the carb but pretty sure we have a good supply, previously when cranking it over a good few times and then checking the plugs there was a rich smell of fuel and the plugs a little wet. (To the point of being flooded) I can also hear the fuel pump buzz when when you turn the key in the ignition too.
    Secondly I will double check we are getting a good 12V feed to the coils and double check that neither of them have failed, I assumed they were fine being as we had a spark at the spark plug end.
    With both the lights not working on the dash I was expecting it to be a blown fuse but that's not the case, could it be the old bulbs have blown from a potential power surge?
    As yelcab has mentioned the only thing I haven't really checked is that we still have good compression in all of the cylinders. I have heard that excess fuel in them washes out the oil and reduces the compression. It's possible this has happened and that the engine has been flooded due to my friend having the plug leads incorrectly positioned and cranking consecutively.
    Lastly will check the ignition static timing is correct.

    It can't be much as it was running fine with just a small misfire before changing the plugs and leads.
     
  5. James Speechley

    Nov 26, 2020
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    Thanks for the reply and the point you have raised I will check all of them, fingers crossed it will either highlight the problem or enable it to start again.
     
  6. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    If you get to the point that fuel has washed oil off to lose compression and it wont start, the engine must be about knackered. Normally the rings will give you compression and it was running fine before.
    Even if you had the plug leads on in wrong place it would still fire( or backfire) to some extent.
    The interesting point is the loss of the ignition light as i think this is a direct supply from the battery via the key switch and i think that might be your coil supply. I will have a look at a set of mondial drawing as might give a clue.
     
  7. James Speechley

    Nov 26, 2020
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    Hi Mike32
    In regards to the compression thing It was something i'd read, but as you say it was running fine before hand so I don't think this is an issue. (Its low mileage engine too so not much wear and tear)
    I know my friend had a few pops and bangs in the early attempts of trying to get it to run, but that was when the leads were in the wrong place. Since then I've corrected the lead positions I have a suspicion that now its either something with the coils or the circuit feed to them. Even though i'm getting a spark it might not be strong enough or could there be some "tracking" elsewhere?
    Its an interesting point you made regarding the ignition light possibly having a direct supply from the battery which then goes to the coils. Any info you have on drawings would be appreciated as I will check the wring etc
    Thanks again for your help.
     
  8. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    Send me an e mail address and will send the ignition wiring diagrams for a 3.2 mondial qv, the basic idea will be the same
     
  9. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    Looking at the wiring for a 3.2 mondial, the bottom row of relays in the fuse box, bottom right hand corner relay is for the ignition switch. Looking at the middle row, the 4 th from the right hand side is for dipped lights and is the same pt no. If you fit this one in the bottom right corner and see if that brings your ignition light on. I am assuming the fuse boxes are similar.
     

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