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308 oil leak under intake plenum ?

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  1. RVIDRCI

    RVIDRCI Formula 3

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    OK, gurus of the 308 oil leak. I have a new wierd oil leak. Oil is pooling (well not really pooling ,just sort of spreading out about half the valley area and running down etc.) right adjacent to the oil filter/pressure sender/etc. casting. The oil is only present in the "valley" area on the oil filter side of the engine, and is of course running down the bellhousing side of the motor and down to the engine mounts etc. The casting that the oil filter and sending unit attach into looks clean and dry (my motor is otherwise nasa clean room sparkling).
    Before I go re-torqueing things and exploring, is there a known/common source for a leak in this area ?

    -Luigi
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Not a different area, but sometimes the oil pressure sensors themselves can leak/weep at the swaged and/or potted sealing joints on their bodies (not where they screw into the casting) which can spray/drip oil in an unexpected direction -- just something else to check (since you report that the casting is clean)...
     
  3. chrismorse

    chrismorse Formula 3

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    Check the oil breather hose fromthe oil seperator to the air cleaner, that might be spitting a biut of oil.

    Make damn sure that the cover over the flywheel is sealed, (the one used to check timing). You do NOT want oil dripping down onto the clutch.
    hth,
    chris
     
  4. RVIDRCI

    RVIDRCI Formula 3

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    Good theory, that could explain it. I'll get out the inspection mirror, maybe pull the sender and inspect, if that does not reveal the source I will clean things up and then perhaps lay in some dry paper towel and test drive.
     
  5. RVIDRCI

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    99.5% sure it is not the breather. My 308 is supercharged and therefore the breather is always under very good evacuation. The breather components and hoses have all been recently cleaned checked and upgraded etc.
     
  6. finnerty

    finnerty F1 World Champ

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    I hate to say this... but, if you've ruled out the oil filter mounting / lines / sensors and the breather hose, you've only got (2) other sources for oil in that area ---- cam cover gaskets and cylinder head gaskets. If these leak on the inboard side of the V, the oil can run down the sides of the heads and collect in the area on top of the block. With an inspection mirror, you should be able to see if oil is running down the sides of the cylinder heads anywhere.
     
  7. Brian Harper

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    I don't know what year the idiot light started to get installed for oil pressure (my 1975 doesn't have it), but if your car has an idiot light for oil pressure then you have the easy-to-see gauge sender poking out over the clutch side and a smaller harder to see switch on the other side. A 308GT4 here had a leak through that switch filling up the valley with oil. It is a sort of common switch according the local auto parts store, shared with Saabs or something. The thread size is 14mm x 1.5mm (or was is 1.25?) non-tapered thread with a crush washer, different than most european cars with a tapered thread that are about M10. I blew compressed air into the switch and oil bubbled out right under the connector.
     
  8. RVIDRCI

    RVIDRCI Formula 3

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    I'll bet thats it ! Your description of the oil in the valley is excactly what I have here. I have cleaned everything up to nice dry spotless alloy (after confirming with inspection mirrors and LED penlight that no gasket or seal was the source). I will run test with a dry paper towel pad pushed under the switch to confirm.

    Anybody reading this know the crossover Saab or whatever part # ?
     
  9. RMDC

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    Why couldn't it be the oil filter gasket?
     
  10. RVIDRCI

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    First thing I checked, dry as a bone. oil is ONLY on valley, entire oil filter casting (including sending units, oil cooler line banjo, everything) is clean and dry, thats the odd thing. It's like divine intervention or something, it just "appears" if it started to form itself into an image of Enzo Ferrari I wouldn't be much more suprised.
     
  11. pad

    pad Formula 3

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    Here's one for the books. When I last put together my engine, I also stripped and refinished the valve covers. When a mysterious oil leak occurred, I figured I screwed up the valve cover gasket, so I replaced it. Still, there was an oil leak. It tuned out, the valve cover was porous and when hot, oil seeped though the alloy. I stripped that section of the valve cover, coated the area with epoxy, repainted the cover and voila, no more oil leak.
     
  12. RVIDRCI

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    Guess what ? Its not the Fricken oil light sending unit !!!! paper towel was dry as a bone after a 20mile drive and a 7500rpm dyno run !!! But, of course the oil in the valley was back (under the dry paper towel) Now I'm pissed (I mean angry, not drunk, for all you Brits and Aussies)

    STUMPED !! WTF !!
     
  13. stephenofkanza

    stephenofkanza Formula Junior

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    My 308 is not supercharged or turbocharged but the pool oil where you describe was from the vapor system.
    Since you have did recent maitenance on these componets I have to ask was it there before you did this service?

    My Porsche is turbocharged and has positive manifold pressure which would make these componets more likely to leak.


    stephen
     
  14. RVIDRCI

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    You raise good points. This issue has only appeared very recently, and may be related to recent changes in intake configuration.
    Although, my while intake manifold may see mostly positive pressure, the crankcase breather is ALWAYS under suction as it is plumbed in pre Supercharger intake ?
     
  15. stephenofkanza

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    I was in kinda the same boat- I bought 16 BBS wheels with tires mounted and balanced.
    It took me time to get used to bigger contact patch, but then all I could notice a 'shudder'.
    I started looking at suspension, steering.......turned out the tikes were out of balance.
    I stood there as every wheel was put on the balancer, and every one was out of balance.

    Sometimes it pays/saves to look at the obvious.

    stephen
     
  16. RVIDRCI

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    I'm looking.....
     

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