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308 QV Exhaust Headers-Help needed!

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  1. myfazzman1

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    G'day guys

    My 1984 308 QV(Australian delivery)but what Americans call a Euro, has developed a nasty rattle/vibration in the front(nearest rear window)exhaust header.


    Yesterday I got under her(not easy without a garage hoist!))and confirmed the rattle/vibration was coming from the front exhaust header because it stopped as soon as I held onto the header(with gloves)whilst the engine was running!When I let go,the header rattled/vibrated again!

    I observed the headers appeared to be the USA market types with the AIR injection posts (factory plugged) and wrapped around by heat shields.However in our market we never had cat. converters at the time or air pump and the rest of the exhaust appears to be the original untouched ANSA factory system of the period!

    I read all the threads I could find and I think what has happened is that the heat shield around the header has come loose. My questions are:

    How is the heat shielding secured around the header,is it bolted or welded?

    Can it be secured with the header still in place or does it need to come out?

    If the header needs to be removed I understand from what I've read on this forum its either engine out or RH side fuel tank removal job,yes?

    How many hours of labour required either way?

    Thanks in advance,

    Pete
     
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  3. BigTex

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    The aluminum cladding is packed with asbestos, I believe.

    It's simply clam shelled around the tubes and seam welded closed.

    I'd imagine the packed material has burned out or I have even seen the aluminum melt around the edges on a 'glowing header" malfunction.


    Your dilemma I'd try two things:

    Try to reach and hammer punch the cladding tight to the tubes again and see if this will tighten it sufficienty.

    You could dremel tool the welds open and peel the whole metal cladding away and trash it.
    I doubt this would be possible, the way the frame blocks access at points of the routing, but...maybe.
     
  4. BigTex

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    #3 BigTex, Oct 17, 2009
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    The cladding can conceal cracking.....

    I have had both headers shatter violently at the four to one collector fitting, leaving a fist sized hole and lighting the hoses and belts on fire...

    At least open headers you might catch this, before disaster.
    Stainless replacements are available..Quicksilver, IIRC

    It'll come out the RH side with tank removed and engine mounting bolts out, you jack the engine slightly and gain room.

    It's much easier, blown into three pieces, of course....:rolleyes:
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  5. BigTex

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    Dear Santa,

    Bring three pair please, I have been a GOOD boy, all year..

    Love,
    Alan

    PS I'll leave milk and cookies, and some carrots for the reindeer!
     
  6. myfazzman1

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    Big Tex

    Thanks for the advice,sounds like its fun times on the car ahead,LOL NOT!

    And people reckon the only " colourful characters " are here down under.....

    Cheers,

    Pete
     
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  8. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm coming over 'walkabout' one day, hopefully!

    "No, mate...THIS is a knife!"

    *reaching into pocket*
     
  9. BigTex

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    Truthfully, if you can get access, tightening the openings where the piping exits the cladding may be your fix...

    The header shattering was the FIRST thing I had to tackle, on my car...

    It sat six months before me and my buddies drinking beer got brave enoung to just start taking the car apart...

    Discovery: It's just a car....LOL!
     
  10. RichardAguinsky

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    While I was shopping for my car, I inspected two Mondials that had those shields pretty much smashed in at three to four places. I was puzzled as to why someone would do that. The mechanic doing the partial PPI told me that he has seen several Ferrari's like that, the shelds rattle, it is too much work and money to properly fix it by replacing the headers so the mechanics just "secure" the shields to the exhaust by pressing it.

    It may help you to drive around without the rattle until you get to it properly.

    Just a comment.
     
  11. BAturb

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    I have a spare header in my garage, if you need one or require detailed pics of said header let me know, and it is possible to change the front header with the engine and fuel tank still in place, if you want to know more pm me with either your number or e-mail
     
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  13. myfazzman1

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    Hi All

    PM sent mate!

    Cheers

    Pete
     

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