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308 steering shimmy

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  1. gordonh

    gordonh Rookie

    Nov 1, 2003
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    Gordon Hollingsworth
    I seek advice. I have a ’79 308 with 60k miles. It has never been wrecked, but no work has ever been done to the front suspension. It has had 16” BBS wheels since new (similar size setup to 328), with Yoko AVS AV155i tires 205/55 ZR 16. The tires are around three years old, and do NOT exhibit any abnormal wear pattern. The car has developed a shimmy in the steering wheeel at around 60 mph, not lower or higher. It is worse on a rough road surface. I at first assumed that I had a tire “flat spot” but it does not go away even if I drive 200 miles. I had the front wheels rebalanced, to no effect. I checked the wheel bearing adjustment by grabbing the road wheels at 12 and 6 o’clock, and found play on the passenger side. I replaced the adjusting crush nut and torqued the nut according to specifications. The shimmy persists. I again grabbed the right front wheel at 12 and 6 and there is still a slight amount of play, but I’m skeptical that this is the wheel bearings are the source of my problem. The wheel bearings are quiet. There is no pulsing sensation through the brake pedal when braking. None of the tie rod end or ball joint boots are torn. The A-arm rubber mounts show some cracking, but look pretty good to me. There is surface crud on the rack case, and on the right rack boot, but there is no sign of significant leakage. The rack mounting bushings are not oil soaked and seem serviceable.

    I’m reluctant to just start replacing parts. Any ideas?
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    What about the various splined "squeeze" connections, u-joints, telescopic joint, etc. in the path from the steering wheel to the rack input pinion shaft -- all OK and tight? Seems you checked most everything else.
     
  3. ferrarifixer

    ferrarifixer F1 Veteran
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    Shimmy in normal use is ONLY caused by either of 2 things.

    1 wheel/brake disc balance
    2 tyre/wheel not round.

    Loose wheel bearings, worn shocks, alignment etc will not cause it.

    Under braking, shimmy can be caused by warped brakes, but this will go again when you get off the brakes. A warped disc could vibrate while off the brakes, but only at very very high road speeds. Way over 100 mph.
     
  4. GrigioGuy

    GrigioGuy Splenda Daddy
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    Check #2 particularly. I've been chasing a vibration above 80 MPH for a while, and just recently tracked it to the front passenger wheel being out of round. It balanced, but it's physically just a bit ovoid and will have to be replaced.
     
  5. Darolls

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    Check the tyres for ply seps.
     
  6. ham308

    ham308 Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
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    The passenger side bush on the end of the steering rack is known to develop play, so passenger side 3o/c-9 o/c. Maybe this would encourage or allow a wheel vibration.

    The bush costs 40$ and can be replaced with some effort and skin loss.
     
  7. ferrarifixer

    ferrarifixer F1 Veteran
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    Not even the slack bush will cause it. The shimmy is the result of transmitted vibration.

    But, yes, the bush should be kept in good condition as a matter of course, but it won't cause or exaggerate the shimmy.
     
  8. Fred2

    Fred2 F1 World Champ
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    Sometimes tires just go bad, without looking bad.
    If they are balanced and the alignment is good, try new front tires.
     
  9. sue308

    sue308 Karting

    Nov 4, 2003
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    You might check to see what kind of balance the shop gave you. I had the same problem and it turned out to be I had the wrong kind of balance done. The weights are now on the outside vs the inside of the wheel. The NTB that did it explained the different types of balance but I can not remember the details.
     
  10. TOM B

    TOM B Formula 3

    Jul 24, 2003
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    When I used to use Pirelli's, they had a nasty habit of rotating slightly on the wheel and causing a vibration at 90mph. Not below or above. Cheap and easy recommendation....have them rebalanced again. Before driving, draw a line from the wheel onto the tire. 1/4 " rotation was enough to cause the vibration. Solution? Have the shop use less soapy water when mounting. Drive easy for the first 100 miles or so.

    This problem was eliminated when I went to Continental Extreme Contacts. They must fit tighter on the wheel.

    Hope this helps.

    Tom
     
  11. chrismorse

    chrismorse Formula 3

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    Try wheels/tires from a buddy's car that doesn't have the problem. you can do one at a time or all at once. one at a time takes longer but you can pinpoint it down to one wheel/tire combo.
    hth,
    chris
     
  12. ham308

    ham308 Formula Junior

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    If the general opinion is that it's the tyres, then you could swap front to back and it should go away....
     
  13. gordonh

    gordonh Rookie

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    The problem has been isolated to the left front wheel/tire. Both look good upon visual inspection, but there definitely is something wrong here. Thanks for all of your advice!
     

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