Forget TLC, all they do is stupid crap like "Jon & Kate plus Eight" and "I didn't know I was Pregnant".
Ive got zip for you guys tonight. Nothing from Web and I decided I couldnt proceed in the shop without a clean-up. Lanas out with the girls Saturday so I should be able to get going on the heads. Burns shipped the pipe today so that should be here Monday or Tuesday I guess.
Were just goofing. There is no actual record as far as I know but a couple people here have poured a lot of money into their 308s and Paul is one of them. Personally Im on my 3rd engine in 9 years and what is making Lana crazy is that there wasnt anything wrong with the last 2
It seems all wrong to me. I would want to be getting my cams (& springs) custom designed for my actual valve train weight and then get them ground on a cnc grinder. Is there some difficulty doing this in USA that I'm unaware of?
If there was nothing wrong with the previous two... Does the V12 count as engine number three? And was engine number two a V10? All the best, Andrew.
Cost mainly. There absolutely are places that will take a head and plug all the geometry into their solid modeling program then use that to custom design everything. If I went this route Id guess Id be looking at around a $15k investment in the valve train by the time I had everything and was ready to assemble.. The standard approach is to do what Im doing and go to a grinder not a designer. There is no engineering or design charges and the machine time on a tracer grinder is about ½ what a CNC grinder costs. You have to live with what they have masters for, but they have a lot and we are talking about very subtle changes I would make if I went full custom and its just not worth the money to me. Then I went looking for something common and off the shelf for springs/trainers/ect and I found that Honda TRX 400EX are just the ticket at about $90/cyl .so 4 sets of springs and 4 Ti retainers. These parts are designed to work with very similar cams/rpm, Im using the Honda valve made with slightly longer stems and Ill use the Honda shim under bucket parts and the Honda stem seals. Done for well under $5k total.
I'm very surprised at the cost. I'll be doing some cams soon in UK and will let you know what it prices out at. I know it will be too late for the three-o-twelve but you're bound to be on to something else when it's done....maybe there's room for a custom H-16 in there..
April 2006 Forza documents most of it. I dont want to start a thread its too painful. Long story short I bought a Norwood turbo 308 that had an idle issue with the Haltech system. The ECU unit was changed and the timing set 17 degrees too advanced. BOOOM two cylinders toasted. Send car to Norwood. JE pistons, Copper headgaskets, Air/water intercooler $30+k later I get my car back. Since then I have put another 20k or so into it. so I a few sheckels into my 308. If mark pays himself $10 an hour, than he has got me beat! Aye Mark? I have not included the $2000 for shipping the car from Dallas to Newport Beach and back nor the 11k paint damage that is suffered while in a former F-chat sponsors posession. Cheers Paul
Just cams are cheaper. If you are just grinding it's something like $50/ lobe. If you need to weld it goes up to about $100/lobe. Double it if you are doign a custom engineered profile. Top shelf race springs are about $100 each. Custom valves $50-$100 each. It adds up fast.......
Yes Mark but you cannot put a price on your ingenuity, perserverance, vision and brilliance! it will be a One off Eberhardt special! Cheers
I hope there isn't a 'mines bigger' competition going on here. Mark took left turn at Albuquerque long ago and went into a full sprint! He's so far off the map of std. and custom jobs we have to wonder about his mental state I look at it this way, at the peak here CA the resto-rod shops were charging 100k~200k for making BJ currency. Mark is leaps and bounds beyond the scope of any of those builds. sure he's doing it because he lost a few marbles and seems to enjoy torturing himself. but if Johnny Money bags had retained him to do this to his car, imagine the bill !!! the sheer mount of time in design development and legwork is probably beyond what mark figures it is. and lets be honest mark didn't even take the easy drop in V12 route he decided to redesign one!! So mark as one engineer to another, you're NUTS! I'm thoroughly impressed and we might just have to start calling you Howard. there seems to be a small group of you guys, the one in Sweden & wherever wildegrot(sp?) is and the others who's names escape me. all on the fringe building crazy custom stuff, imagine putting them all together and seeing what could be done, then again they might not be able to put in the lunch order due to option creep and the beer would get warm and anarchy would ensue.
No pics today, Lana had the camera and there really isn't anything pic worthy. I welded header #2 while Vic was napping so it's ready to have the collector welded on during tomorrow's nap. Then I spent about 4 hours removing the intake and cam/cam cover studs from the heads getting ready to start machining and welding. I think I'm ready to make chips tomorrow.
Mark - Just wondering, while you're building the headers were you going to install a mount in each pipe for a thermocouple or oxygen sensor to be able to monitor the A/F ratio in each cylinder? Are you worried about any cylinder running a bit lean and possibly getting damaged given the high power output? Or, were you just going to monitor it through an oxygen sensor for each bank after the second collector? Gary
