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308 water pump replacement

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  1. shmark

    shmark F1 Rookie

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    I'm in the middle of the job and I'll post pics once I'm done, but I have a question. The new pump I bought did not come with a pulley, which means I have to reuse the old one. No big deal. The old impeller has a nut which allows me to hold the shaft while I remove the main pulley. However the new pump does not have a nut on the impeller - there's no way to hold the shaft while torquing the pulley nut. I have been told to mount the pulley hand tight, and then install the pump on the car. With the belt tensioned and the car in gear with the brakes on, then I can torque the nut. Sounds like a very Italian solution. :) Is that the procedure others have used?

    Also the new pump has a woodruff key on the shaft, that really does not fit the slot. I haven't looked at it too closely yet, but it sure seemed like an interference fit. Felt odd.

    At any rate, I've done water pumps on a bunch of cars and I have to say this is by far the EASIEST water pump job I've ever done. Super easy access, pump comes right out with no trouble. I'm glad the later cars have those recesses in the cam covers, makes this really straightforward. I replaced the pump on the ZR-1 a few months ago and it was a nightmare, just about the most difficult job I've ever done on a car. Looking back, I should have just dismantled the whole front end.
     
  2. Iain

    Iain F1 Rookie

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    ISTR I held the pulley with a leather strap wrench & just did it up as tight as I could! Its still there 4/5 years later.

    Don't forget to replace the o ring behind the housing & seal it with a smear if silicone grease. There was a thread years ago about being careful to torque the nuts/bolts up correctly as well in order to avoid warping anything (followed by leaks & stud/bolt corrosion).
     
  3. shmark

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    Thanks Iain, sorry I had to go out of town on a business trip and didn't have time to get back to the job or post much. I finished the job this afternoon and it wasn't too bad. I ended up using your technique to torque the pulley nut. I installed the pump on the car, wrapped a strap wrench around the pulley, and then used my torque wrench to get it tight. Took a lot of effort, but I got that satisfying click.

    All in all, one of the easiest water pump jobs I've done. Access is just ridiculously easy. The hardest part was torquing the pulley nut. The rest of it was straightforward, although it does take an impact driver to get the nut off the old pump, and then a puller to get the pulley off. The woodruff key went into the new pump just fine with a little pressure, and then reassemble.

    I drove my car again today! Damn I missed that. :D
     
  4. shmark

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    FWIW I had the infamous "snapping" sound when the car was cold, confirmed to be the alternator belt when it takes a set after a long time. I replaced the accessory belts during this job, and no more snap. Really just about the most straightforward job I've done on any car. Why the hell I put it off so long, I have no idea.
     
  6. bspellerin

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    Great post with appropriate timing as my water pump died on me not quite 2 weeks ago, the day before returning for work for 28 days. It's the second time that it's happened. Three years ago it got me 100 miles from home, sent it to the Dutchman for a rebuild and I was hoping for a longer life span than that!

    Is the pump from Ricambi the newer design with the plastic impeller? I'll be ordering on from there or perhaps TRutlands in a couple of weeks.

    Regards
     
  7. shmark

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    #7 shmark, Jun 23, 2014
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    The impeller was definitely different from the stock pump, still with straight vanes but black, no lock nut, and I believe it was metal. I didn't look at it too closely.

    BTW I was speaking with Ron Reineke about water pumps and he said the most common way these fail is because we don't drive the cars! Sitting causes the seals to dry out, allowing coolant to get to the bearings, dead pump. My old pump had stains around the weep hole which seems to confirm his diagnosis. I hereby promise to drive it a lot more.
     
  8. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Mine failed the day after I bought it back in 1997 (boy, THAT was a let down - I had been wanting one since I was 13)

    I bought the "upgrade version" whatever that is from Rutlands. It has 17 years, almost 60,000 miles and more track time than you can imagine. Still working.

    I think I will go ahead and replace mine next trip in for belts, just in case. At this rate, I won't need to do it again until after 2021.
     
  9. ashie

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    Is this the "rattle" sound I only sometimes hear? It's definitely engine-speed-related, it's coming from that side of the engine as I drive off and it only lasts a couple of minutes. I was beginning to think it was coming from the aircon compressor.

    Can someone please confirm that this may be the "infamous snapping sound" referred to here?

    Thank you!
     
  10. 2dinos

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    Snapping sound is typically belts. Seems to reliably go away when motor warms up.
     
  11. SMS

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    Bump an old thread just to show one solution to the issue the OP had.
    I am currently doing my belts and Hill bearings and my car has an extra pulley on the crankshaft that drives a supercharger belt. Because of the diameter of that pulley I can’t swing the a/c compressor out of the way unless I remove it, or the water pump pulley.
    So wrapping an old belt around the wp pulley about 1-1/2 wraps over itself then around a frame member is all it takes to Hold it to loosen or tighten the nut. The tighter you torque it the harder the belt grips the pulley. Works great and is a free tool. Image Unavailable, Please Login
     

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