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308 Wheel restoration.

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  1. 48969

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    I know there are a lot of threads on topic, but I’m about to undertake the project myself and thought I would document it since I’m planning to use PreKote instead of Alodine. Also, I’m going to blast with glass since the face of the wheels being pretty bad due to a poor quality prior paint. Anyway, please feel free to comment and stop me from doing anything foolish. Here are the wheels in their current state. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login


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  2. J-P

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    Should be interesting to follow. I am at a similar place with my wheels and actually read quite a bit about using PreKote as a substitute for alodine. I think they will turn out great. Looking forward to your updates.
     
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  3. 48969

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    Also, this is the only real nick on the set. I’m planning to use PreKote, then J.B. Weld steelstik to fill it in, then sans and PreKote again before primer.

    I’m thinking I’ll use Duplicolor Filler Primer in hopes that It will fill in any imperfections on the face without additional filler or bondo. Image Unavailable, Please Login


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  4. Meister

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    Over the last year or two I've refinished 2 sets 360, one set mondial and one set 348 wheels. I assume you are DIYing this project. I just wanted to mention I made a fairly simple spin table using a lazy susan roller bearing assembly. It works great and I feel I got much more consistent coat thickness and better coverage basically holding the gun or can stationary while the wheel spun. I don't have a pic, but if you are DIY your wheels I'm sure you can build a spin table/jig ;)
     
  5. 48969

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    Thanks. I have been debating whether to do that or use a few long pieces of black iron pipe so I can spray the whole wheel without touching anything.


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  6. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    I'm in need of this as well but not up to the task of doing it myself. I need a pro shop to do it.
     
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  7. Alex308qv

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    308 wheels are “lega di magnesio” (magnesium alloy). Same for 348 and later? Someone told me surface oxidizes quickly once stripped. Can someone contrast Alodine versus PreKote?
     
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    Ali dune has changed its name and is now called boderite.
     
  9. 48969

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  10. Meister

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    yeah thats a good idea too.

    I had all my sets glass blasted too. I liked how they came out of the blasting.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback on glass. I had thought about walnut shells, but the blaster said glass provided a smoother finish and talked me into glass.


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  12. Alex308qv

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    Doing some reading, and it appears to me that PreKote is a surface prep that must be rinsed off before applying coatings, and Alodine is a coating that serves as a corrosion inhibitor and a primer. Are they substitutes, or are both needed (surface prep + Mg-appropriate primer)?
     
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    My understanding is that while PreKote is a cleaner, it leaves a thin layer on the surface to seal contaminants and help primer adhesion. See the image in the link I posted above.


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  14. Meister

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    I have not used prekote but from what you just mentioned it sound slike it acts just like POR 15 metal ready which is what I use. IDK these threads always bring out "I read this, someone says this...etc" I think you have a great plan. People tend to bring out the shipping wheels off to do DOW 7 (or whatever) treating and all this extra stuff about corrosion and metallurgy that just complicates the process

    This is what I've done on 4 sets

    Media blast (Glass)
    POR 15 metal ready
    Self etch primer
    SEM Fer 101C Aerosol
    2 part (activated) satin clear

    I'll put my wheels up against anybody

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  15. 48969

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    Thanks. Your wheels look great.


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  16. Nuvolari

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    When doing your wheel restoration make 100% sure to mask off the inserts that the wheel bolts seat on. If you get paint on them after your first torque the bolts will loosen off in a few miles.
     
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    Did you just mask both sides or fill the holes with something before masking?


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  18. Nuvolari

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    All I did was make a small masking tape disc that was just larger than the size of the conical portion and laid it in place. The main goal is to keep any paint off of the conical seat.
     
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  19. derekw

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    These wheels are soft and porous. I would be concerned about glass embedding in the metal and causing corrosion later (in 5-10 years.) I’ve never used glass and know nothing about it— beads of crushed glass? Perhaps they can control the pressure/speed and choose a media size that will break up the paint layers but not embed in the metal.

    I did mine and it was a lot of work with life-shortening chemicals. In hindsight I wish I’d just sand blasted them, painted them and sold them as I’ll never drive hard on them having seen how bad the castings are and knowing they are 40+ year old magnesium.
     
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    The face of the wheels was simply too bad to hand sand, but the back of the wheels are in great shape, so just blasting the fronts. I've read several different theories about what media to use when blasting, but the company I'm using does a lot of airplane parts (just outside O'Hare) and suggested low pressure (70psi) glass beads. They thought this would remove the paint with the least chance of contamination and leave a smooth paintable surface. Also, PreKote is supposed to encapsulate any contaminants to prevent future corrosion.

    We will see. I'm fairly optimistic this will work, but if not, this will be a good "what not to do" post.
     

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