308 with carbs vs. 328

In terms of performance there’s a utube vid of a 308 ( think carbs ) giving it beans .Cam behind as well .They are after the sounds on a twisty road .Behind is a granny in a VW Rabbit ( golf ) keeping up . The ensuing comments are hilarious.


So there no point using performance ( or lack of it re 328 ) as a weapon against a carb 308 ……nothing inc an Accord compares

 

Ferrari put K Jet on them to meet emission requirements.

Only.

 

Most confusing response in the whole thread. Better is not more fun, and yet the most satisfying driving experience is with a 328 which all of us agree is a better car than the 308.

 

I can very easily agree that better is not more fun. To me any of the modern supercars is better by nearly any yardstick but yet to me they are excruciatingly boring to drive. Their performance profiles are so far and above anything we are likely to be able to utilize on public roads, at least in the USA that what we can use of them rationally is not unlike asking Steven Hawking what 4 divided by 2 is. It is summed up by the saying "driving a fast car slow "etc. I can drive the crap out of the 328 on remote country roads here and have a great deal of fun at the previously mentioned "Rational speeds".

Depending on your automotive preference the same can be said of a great many early cars from any era of your choice and I can understand the attraction to nearly all of them.

 

Yea, but I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the (fictitious) guy who bought the new Honda Accord instead of a 328.

 

And I was referring to the silliness in thinking more "modern" when deciding between two cars that are in their late 40's now.

But you already knew that.

Neither a 328 or a carbed 308 are transportation cars. Neither are practical. And neither have to be because they are simply hobby cars. Something just to play with and enjoy so pick what you prefer. There is NO wrong answer.

I want carbs now. Why? Just because I ****ing want them, And I am not "wrong" wanting them.

 

I have found exactly the same for motorcycles. After many years of litre and litre+ sport bikes, I now find I have the most fun riding twisty roads on my 1976 Honda CB400 four...with all of 37 HP! I haven't ridden any of my bigger bikes since acquiring the little CB a year ago.

The 328 is definitely more fun to drive than my wife's '22 MB S580! Though I will admit the S580 is much more challenging when it comes to figuring out how to "operate" it!! I don't like driving a car that is smarter than I am! (In a similar vein, that's also why I don't have a Border Collie!)

 

Having owned a 77 carb'd 308 since new until early 80's never had any issues. I would think the 328 was even a better car as it was a much better fuel delivery system.

 

I had both and still have a 308 with carbs. The 328 is much more powerful and - of course- a better car because it's younger, but the carbed car is something very exciting and has a much more vintage heritage than the 328. This said, the 328 is a superb car, and, in my opinion, there is not a winner.

Ciao

 

I had both and voted for the 328. It was just a less fussy, easier to use and better car. both are very nice and they epitome of the 80's. The 328 is still a car you can drive a long distance in some relative comfort.. while the 308 can do the same thing, when it comes to AC/ and overall longevity it loses out. also there is less power lower in the rev range. The 308 ( injected) you have to be around 4K RPM on the highway, and it gets loud. I've driven several Carbed cars and if they are set up right - they are great... but they will require more constant tinkering and mtns.... and there are fewer and fewer people who know how to properly service them. for sheer beauty, you cant beat a Vetroresina GTB in Red & black... with the deep spoiler... they are by far the best looking 308/328 outside a 288 GTO.

 

No, the best looking is this one...

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That is a hard one to beat... 208 Turbo? very pretty. to me that is what the 308 series is - pretty... beautiful. Its hard to say that about many Ferrari's after the 355. maybe the 488 ... and F8 Tributo... even my own Ferrari a 599 is not pretty... it has its angles etc... but a 308 series car is pretty from almost every angle. the gts is a little off with the flat roof, but still a beautiful car.

 

Carbs for sure in a 1970's car like the 308. I'd don't know about 308 vs 328, that is a different question.

 

To me at the time my thinking was the 77 308 could be driven daily. This idea became ingrained when on my way to Stodards Ferrari for routine service I got into a very bad tropical storm on the way with very high winds, lots of water, rain etc. The 308 was very manageable, stable and all accessories worked well. The car never left me stranded during its ownership. I probably would not have sold the 72 Dino 246, nor the 77 308 at the time had I not imported a new 84 BBi.

 

Did you import the 208 from Europe as a grey market or do you live abroad? At the time I thought that the 208 was a detuned car to reduce Tax burden overseas? It is a beautiful car.

 

If for no other reason than the 1981 Road & Track article by Innes Ireland, 308s should be worth a million dollars. I can't post it here since it is too large a file, but if you don't have it already, pick up a copy. Maybe the best piece of automotive journalism, ever, and about our car, at that.

George

 

As important a car as we think the 308/328 is and history has shown it to be, when I was asked to judge at the Ferrari 70th anniversary in Maranello not a single one was invited to take part. There were GTOs and F40s and those were the only V8 cars.

 

GTO and F40 are 308 GTB derived cars. The 288 GTO even had to be called "308 GTO", as the car actually is a tuned up 308 GTB: they changed name only for marketing reasons. 288 GTO test engines had "F105A" lettering casted on the block, as the 288GTO engine is a turbocharged upgrade of 308 QV F105A engine: the crankshaft is exactly the same, with the same Ferrari part number since 308 GT4 in 1973. 308 GTB and his sisters and sons are the best looking Ferrari from 1970 up to now, a design masterpiece.
I don't know why at Ferrari 70th they were not invited, but at Ferrari 75th anniversary exhibition at Ferrari MEF - Museo Enzo Ferrari - in Modena there were two, a 208 GTB turbo and a 308 GTB. The 308 GTB was my former blu sera drysump and those two "308" if they were not the best looking Ferrari displayed there, they were close to be.

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Brian,
I wasn't referencing the article to champion its importance, but more its beauty and the fact that one of the most interesting drivers of the classic era thought it should be given homage by comparing it to its most illustrious ancestors.

George

 

I understand but I do find it interesting given that as a styling exercise so connected to the company or as its financial savior the company who produced it treats it like a step child.

 

It was for the Italian market. Block sleeved down to 2 liters to fall under a lower Italian tax bracket.

 

I have a pic here of the “ blocks “ inserted , unlikely to blow a HG between the bores as the distances are massive .
How ever it does on closer examination appear the casting of the block is thicker between the bores as well ?
Each bank is 1.0 L
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My bad... Instead of thick sleeves, small bores with thin sleeves.