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  1. f308jack

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    Michael,

    The Piper cars we're talking about are heading this way, perhaps I'll have a chance to ask him.
     
  2. Michael Call

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    #27 Michael Call, Jan 29, 2009
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    Michael,

    The 312 P(B) 0900 is certainly NOT A REPLICA. The earliest photos of the chassis that I am aware of date from May, 1972. It was subsequently converted from 623/008 configuration to 623/012 configuration along with all other chassis retained by Ferrari in 1973. Both type 012 steering nuckles that are on the front of 312 P(B) 0900 are dated 27/2/73. It seems that this is likely the time that it first became a complete car.

    After this, probably in late 1973/early 1974 the 312P(B) 0900 thad it's roll hoop modified (To accept a central air scoop? planned for 1974.) Chassis 0894 recieved the identical modification.

    Ferrari abandoned sports car competition for 1974, and all remaining chassis were sent to Diena & Silingardi's Sport Auto Modena to be re-built into cars that could be sold off to collectors. The earliest photo that I have of the completed 312 P(B) 0900 that is clearly identified as 0900 dates from February,1977. That's Gianni Dienna in the background.

    I know nothing of the validity of David Piper's claim that Ferrari gave him some sort of franchise to create P4 replicas and call the 0900, 0900a, etc. Nor am I saying that 0900 is an "official" chassis number.
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  3. Michael Call

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    NOTICE: Photo of 312 P(b) 0900 at Sport Auto Modena 2/1977 in previous post COPYRIGHT MARCEL MASSINI
     
  4. Michael Call

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    #30 Michael Call, Jan 30, 2009
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    Bruno,

    This theory is a very plausible one. It is interesting to notice that the 312 P(b) that they were experimenting with in late 1973/early 1974 had a different suspension at the rear. This made the wheelbase even longer, as it moved the rear wheels back a little further. It is also interesting to note that the 312 P(b) chassis 0900 is the only 623/012 type chassis that uses type 008 rear suspension configuration. The rear camber adjustment rods attached to 0900 have 0894 spamped on them! It would seem that this would have been done when it was restored at Sport Auto, to bring it back to the configuration that would appeal to a collector. (beautiful world champion sports racer/ NOT ugly duckling experimental of 1974) Some well informed sources say that the 1974 experimental car was 0886. As you can see from the riveted on attachment of the 0886 plate, it would seem that this plate has been removed at some point and used on another chassis (a la the 0898 becoming 0884 after the original 0884 was destroyed by fire at Sebring).
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  5. P4Replica

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    Nice photograph taken at the Zwartkops Springbok round at the weekend: http://www.flickr.com/photos/trackz/3244927082/
     
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    Nice pic Paul!

    Are you in SA? Coming to Cape Town next weekend?
     
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    Not my photo, Jack. Sorry I should have made that clear. :eek:

    I'm in England. I was just searching Flickr (looking for any photos of the Bailey-Edwards P4 replicas at Zwartkops last weekend, which might have been uploaded) and that image of the 312PB came up in one of my searches. Apologies for any confusion.
     
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    Yes, there are no 312 P(B)s that survive with this bodywork. The only 1974 modifications that survive on any 312 P(B) are the modified roll bars on 0894 and 0900.
     
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    Thanks!

    Next question, is there any 1/43 model of the '74 bodywork'd car?
     
  11. Michael Call

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    Yes there is. Look on ebay.
     
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    Now you also know why Enzo abandoned the sports car programme. Dang that's ugly! :eek:
     
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    Wasn't a very authentic 312 BP (made out of a parts car) produced by John Hajduk of MotorKraft and more recently sold to a European?

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  15. Michael Call

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    The elaborate 312 P(b) replica built by Hajduk was built for Joe Galdi in Arizona, and was patterned after his (authentic) 312P(B) #0892. This replica was built around an authentic 312 P(b) gearbox and a Ferrari 312 engine of F1 origin. Everything else was reproduced using patterns taken from the original 0892. Although quite functional, many of the reproduced parts are machined from aluminum rather than cast from magnesium. Anyone who has experience with an original 312 p(b) would never be "fooled" by this replica. The fuel system of the replica was very much simplified from the much more complicated system of the original 312 p(b)s. The original 0892 is now with Steven Read. I recall seeing the replica for sale in Denver about a year ago.
     
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    and he did well. Following him was right (again)
     
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    Amazing pictures Peter - thank you.
     

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