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315S #0684 "535" Ex Piero Taruffi : I N C R E D I B L E ! ! !

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  1. Marcel Massini

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  3. Christian.Fr

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    Nice, very nice. Men at work, trying to find the philosophy of the construction, many times with old plans.

    Docs.
    Bardinon said on time in the sixties it was possible to buy a car for less money that you can imagine, including, it was possible to exchange one with a good restaurant. Your documentation confirms
    the words.
     
  4. nschots

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    Thank you very much guys for the photos. This confirms what i always thought, this is one of the prettiest car ever, plus one of the most important Ferrari´s ever made.

    Best to all,
     
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    Interesting to see MIG welding equipment presumably being employed for (possibly chassis ?) repairs.
    Were the cars & their chassis structures from this era originally welded with MIG or Oxy-Acetylene (Gas) ?
    Just curious.
     
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    #56 246tasman, Oct 29, 2015
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    This reply is 8 years late (!), but they are four barrel Solex carbs not Webers.
     
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    The replacement Scaglietti body removed from 0656 by Fantuzzi is being fitted to a new 250TR style chassis in UK at the moment.
    It looks rather ugly in the some of the photos where the nose must have been been altered (when painted red) compared to the nicer nose in it's blue and white livery. I brought it back to UK from Darryl Greenamyer who retained it when he sold the car to Obrist. I later sold it on, but it's fantastic that this period body will be racing again before too long.
     
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    I took the first one with #0656 in 1989 and the other with #0684 in 1990.
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  9. Marcel Massini

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    Many thanks for this clarification. Highly appreciated.

    Marcel Massini
     
  10. DWR46

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    Will: The Solex carburetors are TWO barrel, not Four barrel. This is a common misunderstanding that has been with us for years. Nobody, today, knows for sure why Ferrari chose to use these units. You will note that the accelerator pumps have been blocked off, making the engines very hard to start from cold. 0676, the De Portago car, had Weber 42 DCN carbs, but was the only one of the initial batch of 4-Cam engines so equipped. Later, 0764 was built with the Webers. It is interesting to also note that the engine from 0676 had it's carbs bored out to 44 mm when it was "hopped up" for use in the 412 MI single-seater, and then the carbs were sleeved back down to 42 mm when the engine was installed in the 412 Sport (412 MI) for Von Neumann.
     
  11. driver

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    Marcel...is that the original steering wheel on 0684? I was under the impression that Ferrari used the "pegged" wheels at that time.
     
  12. nschots

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    ¡Thank you very very much Marcel!

    Highly appreciated!

    All the best,

    Nicolás.
     
  13. 246tasman

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    Thanks, I can see that now. I wonder if these were used as they could fitted with the chokes closer together than with the available Webers
     
  14. tomgt

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    Body: oxy-acetylene
    If they used the original type alloy sheet like they used originally it is very very thin
     
  15. GIOTTO

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    Wonderfull photos of a fantastic car. Thanks Marcel. One of the best looking racers from Maranello.
     
  16. superleggera

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    Thanks Marcel!

    Do you have chassis / suspension / fuel tank area detail photos as well?
     
  17. VIZSLA

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    I believe that it was 0656 that spent part of the sixties in the Larz Anderson Automobile Museum in Brookline Mass. As a small boy I spent many hours in its thrall.
     
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    Thanks Tom,
    I kind of took the body/coach work welding being oxy-acetylene for granted, but was mainly curious about the type of welding used for construction of chassis & other structural components.
    My curiosity stems from familiarity with 365 GTB/4 chassis, its body supporting structures (which I call "space frame") & final attachment of the (steel)body/coach work to "space frame" having been originally constructed/welded together using mostly MIG.
    In most cases I've seen (and photo-documented), these original MIG welds (on Daytonas) look like they were done by some one not quite acquainted and/or comfortable with the process leading me to wonder if perhaps it was newly introduced technology at Scagliettis during late '60's/ early '70's (?).
    P.S. To all, sorry for hi-jacking this thread with my personal curiosities.
     
  19. Marcel Massini

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    Yes, 1969. At the time 0656 was owned by Carl Bross (owner of the Orange Blossom Diamond Ring Company) of Detroit, MI. Bross had bought 0656 in December 1961 from Edwin Dennis Martin of Columbus/OH. Bross had donated 0656 to the Larz Anderson Museum of Transportation in Brookline/MA and Bross passed away November 1970. May 19, 1979, 0656 was sold at auction to Darryl Greenamyer in Reno/NV. Greenamyer sold 0656 in 1985 to Albert Obrist in Switzerland who had it restored by Fiorenzo Fantuzzi (Medardo Fantuzzi's son) in Modena.

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  21. VIZSLA

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    Thanks for the backstory.
    I think that early exposure to that amazing car was a formative experience. It warped me permanently.
     
  22. nschots

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    Thank you very much Marcel. Amazing photos.

    Why are the yellow strips around the front wheels?
     
  23. Bryanp

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    I believe that was a convention in the mid-50s to help the mechanics differentiate at a glance the front wheels/tires from the rears. The tire widths were sometimes only 1/2" apart between front and rear. Yellows went on the front and you will sometimes see wheels with a medium blue band which denoted the rear wheels/tires
     

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